Indo-European + ? = Greek

[Gleemonex]

And I thought the answer was "tzatziki".

[Celtic_Punk]

What about the Mycenaeans? them blood thirsty buggers merked the Minoans, and to the best of my knowledge they helped form the hellens.

[keravnos]

What about the Mycenaeans? them blood thirsty buggers merked the Minoans, and to the best of my knowledge they helped form the hellens.

Μυκηναίοι, "Mycenaeans" were Greek/Hellenes, part of the first wave to hit Hellas and mingle with Pelasgoi. Other names for Mycenaeans are Achaians and Ionians. While Dorians stayed in the North, those two Greek tribal federations ventured South. When Dorians invaded, they remained in mainland Hellas only in secluded places, aka Attica, Arcadia and Achaia and later Theba.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaean_period

For more on their language,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaean_language
its writtten form,
http://www.ancientscripts.com/linearb.html

[machinor]

Wow. Keravnos' posts are as informative and interesting as always. Very interesting read.

[keravnos]

And I thought the answer was "tzatziki".

Very sorry to dissapoint... :)

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow, keravnos that was very informative indeed! Good to know there are still people like you out there, people who actually bother to do some proper research and reading on their own, instead of parroting whatever they hear on the internet.

Maion

[Anastasios Helios]

hmmm...tzatziki. I'm going to become hungry before soon.

Mr. Keravnos, you answered my question better than I could have ever hoped for...I am almost entirely sure that the Etruscans (even the Rhaetians maybe), were the cousins of the Pelasgoi. Like you said, we just do not know enough about their languages. Maybe we'll unearth some type of Rosetta Stone one day and we'll learn the truth! :D

I never knew that the Ionian dialects were more "Pelasgian" than the Dorian dialects. But now that I think of it, it begins to make sense. The Dorians invaded the motherland FROM THE NORTH sometime after the Trojan War ushering in the Dark Ages. The Ionians were from ANATOLIA...which is where the Etruscans have their origin.

The biggest surprise was your confirmation that the Kyprioi were originally Syrians. I wish that there was some type of book where I could read about this stuff all day...I also want to see some Tsifteteli right now.


I smell a thesis topic (+ visit to Greece/Turkey/Kypros) coming...

Respect Keranvos! (Think Ali G)

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Very interesting read.

[-Praetor-]

But what about the achaian invasion?

Or are you identifying the achaians with the pelasgians?

[keravnos]

Just some clarifications. Ionians hadn't gone over to Anatolia yet, let alone come from there. They did go over there because of the Dorian invasion.

Achaians+Ionians=Mycenaeans. Mycenaeans invaded the south.

Or are you identifying the Achaians with the pelasgians?

No. Totally different. Achaians+Ionians also known as Mycaeans , are IndoEuropeans. Pelasgians are not.

The greek name "Αχαιοι"/Achaians is really close to "Αρχαιοι"/Ancient.
Just another thing to think about.

I never knew that the Ionian dialects were more "Pelasgian" than the Dorian dialects. But now that I think of it, it begins to make sense. The Dorians invaded the motherland FROM THE NORTH sometime after the Trojan War ushering in the Dark Ages. The Ionians were from ANATOLIA...which is where the Etruscans have their origin.

Wrong. Ionians and Achaians and Arcadians, also collectively known as Mycenaeans did come from the Balkans themselves, they just were the first to arrive in South Hellas. Not content to live in Makedonia and Epeiros, they invaded the South. Others stayed there. Later on they too descended on the South as Dorians. Those who did stay, became known as Makedones and Epeirotes.

Ionians had no place to go.
To preserve their identity (and keep from being slaves) when the Dorians invaded they fled to what is now Turkeys' Aegean shores.

[Shatov]

How does early Armenian compare with the earliest records of Greek without all the Pelasgian influence? It would be interesting to compare Armenian without the Caucasian influence with Greek without the pre-Greek influence.

[Anastasios Helios]

Wrong. Ionians and Achaians and Arcadians, also collectively known as Mycenaeans did come from the Balkans themselves, they just were the first to arrive in South Hellas. Not content to live in Makedonia and Epeiros, they invaded the South. Others stayed there. Later on they too descended on the South as Dorians. Those who did stay, became known as Makedones and Epeirotes.

Ionians had no place to go.
To preserve their identity (and keep from being slaves) when the Dorians invaded they fled to what is now Turkeys' Aegean shores.

Gotcha :)

I have also heard before that there is some type of connection between Greek and Armenian. Do you know anything about this?