13 year old Girl raped and than stoned for "adultary"

**KrooK** · 11-06-2008, 18:41

I saw and .... whats that. What had happen after imperials conquered black africa and crushed uprisings? 50 years of peace - small conflicts but not full war. What is happening into former Belgian Kongo now? Do you know what is difference beetwen colonialism and situation now.
Into colonialism after conquer is peace. Now nothing lead to peace.

**LittleGrizzly** · 11-06-2008, 18:43

And no that wouldn't be a generalisation of christians.

Well then i think one of us doesn't understand what a generalisation is (me for all i know) i really don't know the english langauge and semantics well enough to argue the point from here, i guess we will have to agree to disagree...

Whilst i still find your views disagreeable, they do seem a lot more sensible and far less bigoted than i originally thought, so i apologise if i offended you with my anti-muslim view of you, though if you could define your statements more carefully on muslims it would help my understanding of your views (and probably help you avoid warning points..

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**LittleGrizzly** · 11-06-2008, 18:47

I saw and .... whats that. What had happen after imperials conquered black africa and crushed uprisings? 50 years of peace - small conflicts but not full war. What is happening into former Belgian Kongo now? Do you know what is difference beetwen colonialism and situation now.
Into colonialism after conquer is peace. Now nothing lead to peace.

Krook half the problems there now are directly or indirectly because of colonialism, the terribly drawn borders, the resources stolen and one of the indirect problems being the ability of african dictators to point at the white man as the problem, rather than thier own tyrannical goverments, and our inability to then interfere without it looking like colonialism

**Tribesman** · 11-06-2008, 18:54

I saw and .... whats that. What had happen after imperials conquered black africa and crushed uprisings? 50 years of peace - small conflicts but not full war. What is happening into former Belgian Kongo now? Do you know what is difference beetwen colonialism and situation now.
Into colonialism after conquer is peace. Now nothing lead to peace.

Bollox

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-06-2008, 18:58

Originally Posted by KrooK

I saw and .... whats that. What had happen after imperials conquered black africa and crushed uprisings? 50 years of peace - small conflicts but not full war. What is happening into former Belgian Kongo now? Do you know what is difference beetwen colonialism and situation now.
Into colonialism after conquer is peace. Now nothing lead to peace.

Crushing uprisings? Uprisings to what ? Conflicts of what? How many deaths?

Most of all, how can you so freely use the same so-called simplification you deny when it comes to Poles and Nazis topic ? How does it feel ?

**Yoyoma1910** · 11-06-2008, 19:00

Originally Posted by KrooK

I saw and .... whats that. What had happen after imperials conquered black africa and crushed uprisings? 50 years of peace - small conflicts but not full war. What is happening into former Belgian Kongo now? Do you know what is difference beetwen colonialism and situation now.
Into colonialism after conquer is peace. Now nothing lead to peace.

The Belgian Congo???? Are you aware of the level of atrocities committed under Leopold 2? Have you read Heart of Darkness? King Leopold's Ghost?

**Tribesman** · 11-06-2008, 19:15

The Belgian Congo????

Is that in Poland ?

**Yoyoma1910** · 11-06-2008, 19:16

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that in Poland ?

No, France.

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-06-2008, 19:20

Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910

No, France.

Uh-huh, no wonder why it was a distinct topic to KrooK.

**Fragony** · 11-06-2008, 20:31

Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Whilst i still find your views disagreeable, they do seem a lot more sensible and far less bigoted than i originally thought, so i apologise if i offended you with my anti-muslim view of you, though if you could define your statements more carefully on muslims it would help my understanding of your views (and probably help you avoid warning points..

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Good to hear, no need to apoligise you didn't offend me

edit, another great book on the Congo http://www.amazon.com/Blood-River-Jo...6000690&sr=8-1

**Koga No Goshi** · 11-06-2008, 22:36

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I cannot blame the Islamic religion for this act any more than I can blame evangelical protestantism for Fred Phelps, or than I can blame Roman Catholicism (my own belief system) for some of the horror stories we're now hearing about Catholic sponsored orphanages in Ireland. All of which have some technical justification under the rules on the books, but all are gross miscarriages of justice, from the perspective of the vast majorities of the believers, as deliberate misinterpretations of that dogma.

I think it's a horrible, horrible story. But the Hutuus and Tutsis are mostly "Christian". Does that mean the Rwandan genocide was due to Christianity?

I don't think too many of us, even LEN, undrestand Sharia well enough to say this is congruous with the spirit of the law or not. Declaring yourself to be an expert on the intent of a legal system you do not understand makes you look like a simple-minded idiot.

DC wins this thread.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 11-06-2008, 23:13

Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

EMFM, I am assuming by Islamism you mean the extremist forms of super Wahabi esque Islam.

I mean Islam as a political ideology. For example, the creation of Islamic theocracies, Wahabi Islam, universal application of Sharia law, Islamic militancy, et cetera.

The problem is that over... and over... and over... people cannot resist the temptation to paint all Muslims, or Arabs, with the same brush

You can never paint anyone with the same brush, but you have to look at who is involved. If it is consistently Muslims doing these things, you cannot vilify Islam, but you must draw the connection.

anything bad that happens anywhere in the Middle East or any crime committed by people from the Middle East is to blame on the religion of Islam.

You can't put the blame in the religion of Islam as a whole, but you can cite that as a basis for these radical beliefs. Most Muslims are wonderful people, generally peaceful, and I encourage these Muslims to stand up, speak out, and honestly say that "these people have nothing to do with us." Then we can get rid of the politically correct nonsense and go after the radicals.

You're right - you can't blame Islam. But you can blame the radicals who are using it for their own gain, or for their twisted views of what Islam is.