Prop 8 to pass?

[ICantSpellDawg]

This is why nothing ever gets done in American politics.

That is ridiculous. Nobody here is afraid of gay people. I just don't want people to exchange good policy that I believe is important for bad policy that I believe will render that important institution absurd. If you must do it, please make a case and win legislation instead of try to strongarn new policy without the consent of the people within your State. This is an issue of a small group of people making things up in the constitution and radically redefining how our governments work.

I'm a homophobic jerk because I believe in people having a right to put a stamp of approval over policy and institutions that govern them when they are important enough?

[Strike For The South]

That is ridiculous. Nobody here is afraid of gay people. I just don't want people to exchange good policy that I believe is important for bad policy that I believe will render that important institution absurd. If you must do it, please make a case and win legislation instead of try to strongarn new policy without the consent of the people within your State. This is an issue of a small group of people making things up in the constitution and radically redefining how our governments work.

I'm a homophobic jerk because I believe in people having a right to put a stamp of approval over policy and institutions that govern them when they are important enough?

I agree with you Tuff. I quoted Whacker because he is unfairly painting his opposition as foaming at the mouth homophobes basing there decision on the bible. Its a craze in American politics to paint the other side as the bad guy who has ulterior motives rather than someone who has a different opinion because that wouldn't be sensationalist enough. My opponent needs to want to destroy America.

We fought the Russians for to long.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I agree with you Tuff. I quoted Whacker because he is unfairly painting his opposition as foaming at the mouth homophobes basing there decision on the bible. Its a craze in American politics to paint the other side as the bad guy who has ulterior motives rather than someone who has a different opinion because that wouldn't be sensationalist enough. My opponent needs to want to destroy America.

We fought the Russians for to long.

Oh, okay. We fought the Nazis followed by the Russians. Double whammy.

[Whacker]

I quoted Whacker because he is unfairly painting his opposition as foaming at the mouth homophobes basing there decision on the bible.

The foaming at the mouth part is over-exaggeration on your part. But you are a homophobe based on your previous statements, and you are trying to justify it through your religious views. There is nothing "sacred" about marriage. There is no difference between marriage, civil unions, whatever name you want to call it, all the same thing. As Horetore pointed out, marriage hasn't been about religion for centuries. It is about a desire for companionship and support, and for making a family. Oh wait, I guess that since clearly gay and lesbian couples can't naturally have kids just shoots that all out the window. And to think that I once thought like that too...

[Strike For The South]

The foaming at the mouth part is over-exaggeration on your part. But you are a homophobe based on your previous statements, and you are trying to justify it through your religious views. There is nothing "sacred" about marriage. There is no difference between marriage, civil unions, whatever name you want to call it, all the same thing. As Horetore pointed out, marriage hasn't been about religion for centuries. It is about a desire for companionship and support, and for making a family. Oh wait, I guess that since clearly gay and lesbian couples can't naturally have kids just shoots that all out the window. And to think that I once thought like that too...

I am against prop 8 for reasons I have stated above. I have not mentioned the bible nor will I to try and prove my point. You are fighting the wrong battle.

[Koga No Goshi]

I am against prop 8 for reasons I have stated above. I have not mentioned the bible nor will I to try and prove my point. You are fighting the wrong battle.

Strike, despite your claim that the comparison is erroneous, if you applied exactly the same logic you and many others seem to hold about the "role" of courts when it comes to deciding matters of legislation vs. civil rights, much of the civil rights movement would have been aborted. Brown vs. Board of Education, Loving vs. Virginia, Ex parte Endo, could all be painted as "judicial overreaching" if you espouse the idea that the court has no business overturning ANYTHING unless there is highly specific language in the Constitution protecting (or banning) a very precise issue in question.

[ICantSpellDawg]

The foaming at the mouth part is over-exaggeration on your part. But you are a homophobe based on your previous statements, and you are trying to justify it through your religious views. There is nothing "sacred" about marriage. There is no difference between marriage, civil unions, whatever name you want to call it, all the same thing. As Horetore pointed out, marriage hasn't been about religion for centuries. It is about a desire for companionship and support, and for making a family. Oh wait, I guess that since clearly gay and lesbian couples can't naturally have kids just shoots that all out the window. And to think that I once thought like that too...

Sounds like foaming at the mouth to me.

[Incongruous]

The foaming at the mouth part is over-exaggeration on your part. But you are a homophobe based on your previous statements, and you are trying to justify it through your religious views. There is nothing "sacred" about marriage. There is no difference between marriage, civil unions, whatever name you want to call it, all the same thing. As Horetore pointed out, marriage hasn't been about religion for centuries. It is about a desire for companionship and support, and for making a family. Oh wait, I guess that since clearly gay and lesbian couples can't naturally have kids just shoots that all out the window. And to think that I once thought like that too...

You are being absurd and fantastical, and you know it.

Strike has only supported his views in a constitutional manner, out of a sincere belief in his Republic, not God. You are being unfair and unwise in my opinion, most probably in fact as well. You and your movement will only alianate more and more people when you treat them like you have Strike. You are putting the bullet to your brain, quite willingly. You don't need to blame those religious idiots, just blamne your own self righteous crap.

[Koga No Goshi]

You are being absurd and fantastical, and you know it.

Strike has only supported his views in a constitutional manner, out of a sincere belief in his Republic, not God. You are being unfair and unwise in my opinion, most probably in fact as well. You and your movement will only alianate more and more people when you treat them like you have Strike. You are putting the bullet to your brain, quite willingly. You don't need to blame those religious idiots, just blamne your own self righteous crap.

I believe he may have read through the posts and mistaken Rhyfe with Strike, that was my impression anyway. But someone would have a damn hard time claiming homophobia has not made its presence known even in this thread (amongst a relatively well educated and international and metropolitan community), let alone the anti-gay marriage movement in general in our country.