No better than them

[Brenus]

“You are in fact correct and I am in fact an idiot”: You are not. You are a person who believe something and reacted with anger. A little bit like the post war reactions after WW2. Did you ever read books about the “Epuration – in French in the text-” in France?

“Czech government was as vile as the Nazi government of Germany” That is not possible. \if you mean that some actions were unjust, unfair and somehow inhuman yes. But Nazism is the degree zero, the metre-stallion of evil.
It is often compare with communism in figures and methods.
Don’t get me wrong. To be awake at 4 in the morning by the Gestapo and to end in Wilhem-Strasse was as bad as to be awake by the KGB/GEPEOU and to end in the Lubyanka (is it the same root than Serbian, Ljubav, (Love) or not?).
However, if you are a truly real believer in the communist faith, you do good things.
If you are a truly real believer in the Nazi faith you do Evil things.
It is all about what the BOOKS say.
As for Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition is not what Christ preached, the thinkers of communism are not responsible what political leaders using their work did on their names.
But Hitler, creator of the Nazism did preach hatered, extramination, violence, domination and racism. It is in the book.

“Was Patton correct? Should we have paused, re-organized the Wehrmacht under U.S/U.K. leadership and gone right after the Russians to kick them back to the 9/1/39 border?” In succeeding where the Nazi Germany has failed? Shermans against JS 2...? I doubt it.
Then we would have to fight the Communist Guerrilla in Italy and France, most probably, battle hardened for this kind of actions and fully equipped…
Can you imagine the French soldiers fighting alongside the SS?
And what happened about the Extermination Camps? We just closed them, oops mistake...?
No, unfortunately the Nazism forbade this possibility. What ever the Communists did evil, it was not enough to forget and forgive Treblinka, Nacht and Neble:

“La mort face à face - chaque jour, à chaque instant. La faux du crachin, de la pluie, du brouillard - les ténèbres du brouillard et de la nuit - les nuits blanches de la nuit concentrationnaire - la nuit blessée, tranchée par les réflecteurs des miradors - la nuit glauque des réveils tonitruants pour aller décharger un train de briques arrivé pendant votre sommeil - la nuit soudain embrassée par les flambées, les coups de feu des fours crématoires. Les fumées - les volutes de fumée rabattues nuit et jour sur les baraquements - l'âcre odeur de chair roussie... La nuit des sentinelles, des cerbères et des molosses. La nuit crépitante - "bruit de pas et bruit des armes" - les hurlements des bergers allemands - les vociférations des SS - le claquement des fusils qu'on recharge. La peur toujours présente - l'oppression permanente! L'abîme, la fosse, où chacun se sent précipité à jamaiscette oubliette qui rappelait à l'un de mes camarades ces vers de Baudelaire :
J'implore ta pitié, Toi, l'unique que j'aime,
Du fond du gouffre obscur où mon coeur est tombé. "

Death face to face - each day, at every moment. The scythe of the drizzle, the rain, the fog - darkness of the fog and the night - sleepless nights of the concentration night - the wounded night, sliced by the reflectors of the watchtowers - the gloomy night of the thundering awaking to go to unload a train from bricks arrived during your sleep - the night suddenly embraced by the blazes, the shots of the crematoriums. Fume - volutes of smoke folded back night and day on the hutments - bitter odour of turned russet flesh… The night of the sentinels, the Cerbere and dark dogs. The crackling night - “noise of step and noise of the weapons” - howls of the German shepherds - uproar of the SS - the slapping of rifles which one reloads. Fear always present - permanent oppression! The abyss, the pit, where each one feels precipitated forever which recalled to the one my comrades these verses of Baudelaire:

I beseech your pity,
You, the single one that I love,
Of the bottom of the obscure pit where my heart fell”

By Haïm Vidal Sephiha

[Sarmatian]

(is it the same root than Serbian, Ljubav, (Love) or not?).

Could be, but I doubt it. Anyway, the building got its name for the fact the it's in the Lubyanka square in Moscow, and the name of the square dates back to the middle ages, so there's no connection to the KGB.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

However, if you are a truly real believer in the communist faith, you do good things.

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. True Marxism, if you wish to call that the "communist faith," advocates the revolution of the proletariat - in essence, violent class conflict, or in other words, the ends justifying the means. Communism is just as disgusting an ideology as fascism, and Stalinism or Leninism are just as, or very close to, as disgusting as Nazism.

Meaning well does not absolve you of crime.

[LittleGrizzly]

I don't think you can equate advocating revolution with nazism.... in a democratic system revolution would not be nessecary anyway, and in a non democratic system revolution is perhaps even better than staying as they are...

I would rate stalinism at a similar level, probably give it a few less points on the evil scoreboard... but stalinism was truely terrible... but the ideaology's (communism and facism) are seperate from this evilness, in essence they are just idea's which don't propose harm to anyone (im not as sure about facism here...) they may result in harm (if you think they both inevitably lead to totalitarianism) but the ideas themselves aren't paticularly bad* (again less sure on facism)

*bad as in evil rather than workable....

[Brenus]

“True Marxism, if you wish to call that the "communist faith," advocates the revolution of the proletariat - in essence, violent class conflict, or in other words, the ends justifying the means” Nope. Marx DESCRIBED capitalism in term of violent class conflict by essence, meaning the workers and their bosses haven’t the same interests in some points e.g. workers wanting big salaries, management wanting to pay them as low they can… So the possible answer (because each class defend its privileges) if to fight for yours rights.
The French Revolution wasn’t a “Communist” Revolution; it was in fact a “Bourgeoisie” Revolution which sized powers from the Nobility illustrated Marx’s comments (Commune de Paris as well). And it was really violent... Federalist against Etatist, Blues aginst Whites, and a little bit of Religious wars...

“Meaning well does not absolve you of crime”: No it doesn’t. But I would like to see a book about the Crimes of Christianity (or others religions) written on the same parameters, of Crimes of Capitalism. You know kind of: capitalism is guilty of the millions of Irish dying of starvation because market economy resolves every thing and the thousands of Boers (and the Indian mass deportation and killing) killed or let to die because some one wanted their gold mines or their lands…

[HoreTore]

Or the crimes of imperialism/colonialism, by far the most vile idea if you go by the numbers, even Stalin and Mao look like children when you compare it to the death ratios in that age...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Nope. Marx DESCRIBED capitalism in term of violent class conflict by essence, meaning the workers and their bosses haven’t the same interests in some points e.g. workers wanting big salaries, management wanting to pay them as low they can… So the possible answer (because each class defend its privileges) if to fight for yours rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletarian_revolution

In Marxism, the need for a proletarian revolution is a cornerstone and the first step towards dismantling the exploitations brought about by capitalism.

No it doesn’t. But I would like to see a book about the Crimes of Christianity (or others religions) written on the same parameters, of Crimes of Capitalism.

I love how whenever we talk about the evils of communism or Stalinism it is absolutely necessary to draw comparisons, but when we talk about the evils of fascism or Nazism anyone who draws comparisons is callous, cruel, or completely incorrect...anyways, as an answer, I have a very difficult time believing that Christianity and capitalism have killed as many as communism.

capitalism is guilty of the millions of Irish dying of starvation because market economy resolves every thing

One million dead. Compare to the Holodomor. That's if you can blame capitalism for the potato famine.

and the thousands of Boers

Twenty-four thousand, also relatively incomparable.

Or the crimes of imperialism/colonialism, by far the most vile idea if you go by the numbers, even Stalin and Mao look like children when you compare it to the death ratios in that age...

For Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, and the United Kingdom, R.J. Rummel estimates between 870,000 and fifty million from 1900 to now, and including (I believe) all deaths and population decline in colonial countries, so the total is probably inflated. Still less than the Soviet Union.

Compare to communism, which is easily responsible for the deaths of easily over a hundred million in less than a hundred years.

If you're so sure on numbers and ratios, perhaps you would like to make a contribution here.

[Brenus]

“In Marxism, the need for a proletarian revolution is a cornerstone and the first step towards dismantling the exploitations brought about by capitalism.” And? Where the compulsory thing for violence? A revolution isn’t necessary violent. Yes, Marx acknowledged it would mostly be because the upper-classes will defend their privileges. As de facto they did in all social movements…

“I love how whenever we talk about the evils of communism or Stalinism it is absolutely necessary to draw comparisons, but when we talk about the evils of fascism or Nazism anyone who draws comparisons is callous, cruel, or completely incorrect...anyways, as an answer, I have a very difficult time believing that Christianity and capitalism have killed as many as communism.”
I am the one claiming that to compare Nazism and Communism is non-sense…
It is always the defenders of the poor Nazi which always come with, oh yeah but look what Stalin did…
About Christianity, it is not so hard if you just thing about South America.
And about Capitalism, you really that all the several campaigns of Colonial and Post Colonial wars, various repression and acquisition of native lands killed only 50 millions people? Ah, yes, from 1900. Err, not to mention of course, just for the French, before this date France had the time to built two Colonial Empires, the first one lost to the English, and the other (mainly after 1870) which will last until the 1960s around.
Just for knowledge, the Algerians claimed 2,000,000 victims during the 1954-1963 war of Independence… I don’t thing this figure is accurate but…
For Indochina alone, between US, Japan and French we largely pass this figure. Just the famine organise by the Japanese in 1943-44 killed more Vietnamese than this.

“Compare to communism, which is easily responsible for the deaths of easily over a hundred million in less than a hundred years.” What a joke… 1 million per year. Yeah, this kind of claim proved the seriousness of the study… And I am sure they ate the livers of their victims as well…
Man, when in a same sentence you find twice “easily” (or for sure), it smells fish…