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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    What if I'm not?


    I say the world wasted its energy on petty rearguard arguments against Bush. While I have an eye for the big picture and the flow of the long undercurrents of history.

    Reagan was intensely unpopular, yet we now acknowledge he was the beginning of the end of a communist storm that had been brweing for decades. Roosevelt was intensely oppossed, yet he brought an end to a long tide of increasingly powerful undemocratic forces.
    Bush recognised the danger as well. And he has set all the parameters for the triumph of liberty.

    History hasn't written his verdict about Bush yet...
    I hadn't really thought about that too much to be honest. I'll get back to you in about 10 or 20 years.

    Louis, if you want us to read Conservipedia, just link it.
    Bush was the best thing since sliced bread, god actually told bush to invade iraq, and apparently Charles Darwin was a monkey himself! This and much much more!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kush View Post
    Bush was the best thing since sliced bread, god actually told bush to invade iraq,
    but God told the Pope that the war on Iraq was wrong....does this make God a flip-flopper????

    God also told us to beat our swords into plowshares....

    God...wrong on defense....wrong for America!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kush
    Bush was the best thing since sliced bread, god actually told bush to invade iraq,
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    but God told the Pope that the war on Iraq was wrong....does this make God a flip-flopper????
    Wrong conclusion Ronin. God wanted Bush to be a bad president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregoshi View Post
    Wrong conclusion Ronin. God wanted Bush to be a bad president.

    so God rickrolled Bush?

    playa God!!! *respect*
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    Louis, that was a marvellous post
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    Default Re: President Bush Leaving Office More Unpoular Than Nixon

    I'm a bit hazy on why was Nixon a bad president?

    Watergate was bad, of course. Probably, really quite bad, in a way. I guess there was a certain lack of respect for the law and so on there. But then again, as far as I know he wasn't planning to suspend the constitution and make himself dictator for life? I'm not suggesting that presidents should positively be allowed to act illegally to get re-elected, but, hey, compared to Bush?

    I think I prefer evil to dumb.

    But in terms of what Nixon actually did for America, was he that bad? I'm afraid the only thing I know about him is he was in the saddle when you got out of Vietnam, and of course the trip to China. Neither of those seem bad things. I gather there are two views on detente now, but at the time I can't see that you could have said it was a bad thing either.

    Can anyone help? What were his domestic policies like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin View Post
    I think I prefer evil to dumb.
    I'll agree to that sentiment any day of the week.

    After reflecting on it for a few days, I guess Bush has been a worse President than Nixon, but neither man ranks at the absolute bottom of the barrel.

    Nixon was actually quite the centrist, and he accomplished a lot of things that would be considered laudable by Democrats and Indies. If he were running for office today with the positions he held while in office, he'd be hounded out as a RINO by the Limbaugh/Fox News wing of the Republican Party.

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    Default Re: President Bush Leaving Office More Unpoular Than Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin View Post
    I'm a bit hazy on why was Nixon a bad president?

    Watergate was bad, of course. Probably, really quite bad, in a way. I guess there was a certain lack of respect for the law and so on there. But then again, as far as I know he wasn't planning to suspend the constitution and make himself dictator for life? I'm not suggesting that presidents should positively be allowed to act illegally to get re-elected, but, hey, compared to Bush?

    I think I prefer evil to dumb.

    But in terms of what Nixon actually did for America, was he that bad? I'm afraid the only thing I know about him is he was in the saddle when you got out of Vietnam, and of course the trip to China. Neither of those seem bad things. I gather there are two views on detente now, but at the time I can't see that you could have said it was a bad thing either.

    Can anyone help? What were his domestic policies like?
    Nixon's plan to get the US out of Vietnam took 4 years, but was better than anything the Democrats had in mind, which was to fight on. Invading Cambodia & Laos to deny the North Vietnamese safe havens and heavily bombing Hanoi brought the Communists back to the Paris Peace talks. This culminated in his "Peace with Honor" treaty with the North. Combat troops were then withdrawn and within 2 years the Communist North broke the treaty and swept the South Vietnamese from power.

    Nixon reached out to China at a time when the Western Democracies shunned the Mao regime.

    Nixon also created the Environmental Protection Agency. All three of these things were very good for the US.

    However, Nixon's downfall was his "Dick Cheney" like disregard for the law. Nixon used the IRS and the FBI to harass, arrest, & spy on his political rivals, media & civil critics or anyone else who dared to oppose him & his policies. Tricky Dick felt since he was the President that he was above the law, and when caught trying to coverup the WaterGate scandal he was exposed for the liar, crook, and nasty s.o.b. that he was. His string of deception took years to surface and for quite some time he denied it all. He eventually did admit to most of it, but his disgrace was total and the stain and distrust of the Executive branch took years to rebuild.
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