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    Quite a few countries don't have that.
    What? Seriously? I should be very happy I live in Norway then.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    What? Seriously? I should be very happy I live in Norway then.
    Under the aegis of the family medical leave act, all US employers with 50+ employees must offer up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to employees who can demonstrate that some medical crisis (or a new child) in their close family requires their assistance. Companies can, at their discretion, provide paid medical leave in such instances. Hospitalization etc. is usually covered (in large part) by the medical insurance one has through one's work.

    In practice, many mothers take leave (though rarely the full 12 weeks) after downloading a new human, but very few fathers do so. They'd find themselves too far behind in their work and/or haven't built up a 3-6 month expenditures cushion as is recommended by financial planners.
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    Now it's just getting weird.

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    Theater felt growing pressure before artistic director quit
    By Marcus Crowder
    mcrowder@sacbee.com
    Published: Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008 | Page 7B

    The California Musical Theatre found itaself caught in a dramatic conflict between free speech and civil rights, a situation that ultimately led to today's resignation of artistic director Scott Eckern.

    Eckern quit this morning. He became the target of strong criticism after it was learned he donated $1,000 to the Proposition 8 campaign to ban gay marriage.

    In an industry long considered gay-friendly and tied to causes such as AIDS research, Eckern's donation outraged theater workers across the country.

    In Sacramento, a number of the musical theater's supporters contacted The Bee to rally behind the embattled Eckern, stating that he was now a victim of intolerance and persecution himself.

    Playbill and other media have said he issued an apology and plans to donate $1,000 to a nonprofit committed to achieving equal rights for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

    When Tony Award-winner Marc Shaiman, the composer of "Hairspray," read of Eckern's donation last week, he urged artists and theater workers across the country to boycott the theater.

    On Tuesday, Kellie Randle and a group of like-minded friends launched www.supportscotteckern.blogspot.com to advocate for Eckern.

    "It's everyone's First Amendment right to contribute to the causes they believe in and voice their political choice," Randle said. To show the abuse against Eckern, Randle's site links to the Clyde Fitch Report, one of numerous blogs now weighing in on the debate.

    "I'm so enraged at the hypocrisy of the No on 8 community. I could care less how he voted on any issue. It's about what he does in his job. This is persecution," Randle said.

    Other community members, including Kitty Wilson of Curtis Park, echoed this sentiment.

    "Before any gay person talks about blacklisting anyone in theater, I'll remind them what McCarthy's blacklist did to the entire entertainment industry," Wilson said.

    The idea of a blacklist and boycott have grown from Shaiman's postings and e-mails. The composer, who is openly gay, said he read about Eckern's contribution to the campaign on the Web site www.datalounge.com, and he felt he had to do something.

    "I was so shocked. I'm dealing myself with being legally discriminated against, and then come to find out, I helped put money in his pocket that helped get this proposition passed," Shaiman said in a telephone interview.

    Shaiman sent an e-mail which has reverberated through the national theater community and backed the CMT's leaders into the unusual position of doing damage control. He wrote he wouldn't allow his work to be done at California Musical Theatre, and theater workers around the country have followed his lead.

    "No one should be surprised in 2008 at how fast information can be spread, and that's of course a doubled-edged sword," Shaiman said.

    Susan Egan, star of "Thoroughly Modern Millie" and "Cabaret," followed with a similar e-mail.

    Theater professionals flooded CMT's offices over the weekend with phone calls and e-mails decrying Eckern's actions.

    In a statement released Monday, CMT executive producer Richard Lewis said: "Any political action or the opinion of Scott Eckern is not shared by California Musical Theatre. We have a long history of appreciation for the LGBT community and are truly grateful for their longstanding support."

    New York talent agent Chris Nichols, who negotiated three of the four contracts for the actors employed in CMT's "Forever Plaid" at the Cosmopolitan Cabaret in Sacramento, said New York is watching the situation closely.

    "I woke up to Susan Egan's e-mail Monday morning and have received that e-mail 11 times in less than 48 hours," Nichols said. "I would say the industry is buzzing. I took no less than half a dozen phone calls from clients today who are working in various theaters across the country asking if it was true."

    Frank Schubert, the local campaign manager for Yes on Prop. 8, wrote a letter of support for Eckern on Tuesday, faxing it to all of CMT's board members.

    "Mr. Eckern unfortunately is the victim of what appears to be a systematic attempt to harass and intimidate anybody who had the courage to stand up and support traditional marriage," Schubert said by phone. "There's nothing about supporting traditional marriage which is anti-gay."

    Shaiman hopes the episode leads to better understanding of gay people.

    "I love God. And this is how God made me," he said. "How people can say this is a choice? Unless you are – you don't know."


    Not the best way to attract people to the cause of equality and tolerance, methinks.
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    The only equal and tolerable if you agree with them bubba. Otherwise they will run you out and call you a bigot.
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    I'm just glad people are getting wise to the fact that the homosexual activists aren't looking to compromise.
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    I'm just glad people are getting wise to the fact that the homosexual activists aren't looking to compromise.

    And i suppose any kind of negativety towards gay people is showing that the anti homosexual activists aren't looking to compromise... i think you'll find the gays activists are a much nicer crowd.... though this is of course bad publicity i can somewhat understand the motive, i wouldn't want to support a movement so against my gayness and im sure my gay friends would want to know that thier money is used against them in this way

    Not to say that the traditional marriage supporters are anti gay but it is easy to see why they see it as this when there are anti gay elements, and the discrimination suffered throughout recent history
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Under the aegis of the family medical leave act, all US employers with 50+ employees must offer up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to employees who can demonstrate that some medical crisis (or a new child) in their close family requires their assistance. Companies can, at their discretion, provide paid medical leave in such instances. Hospitalization etc. is usually covered (in large part) by the medical insurance one has through one's work.

    In practice, many mothers take leave (though rarely the full 12 weeks) after downloading a new human, but very few fathers do so. They'd find themselves too far behind in their work and/or haven't built up a 3-6 month expenditures cushion as is recommended by financial planners.
    Right. I'm off to thank my mother for not raising me in the united states.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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