The Pornification of a Generation

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I'm not going to get into what's capitalism's fault, 'cause I think it's much more important to ask where the hell the parents are?

I'm the father of a two year old girl, and as you can see, I dress her like a slut:

But seriously, I see the Bratz dolls, and I see the inappropriately sexy clothes on sale at Old Navy, but I always wonder: What idiot buys that stuff? Remember, kids have no credit cards or cash. They can't vote or hold a job. Anything they want has to come through you. So what kind of brain-dead nerf-catching drool monkey do you have to be to think it's a good idea to buy all of this sexualized **** for your little girl?

I guess you can't blame some people for being complete idiots ... oh, wait, you can.

Keep your name calling to yourself Lemur. My little sister is 8, and my parents have plenty of control of the "sexuality" aspect of her life (if there is such a thing). They've bought her a Bratz doll, which has little impact on her overall mentality. They're not idiots and have longer parenting experience then you. Remember to think before you insult people...especially as a mod.

[Strike For The South]

Keep your name calling to yourself Lemur. My little sister is 8, and my parents have plenty of control of the "sexuality" aspect of her life (if there is such a thing). They've bought her a Bratz doll, which has little impact on her overall mentality. They're not idiots and have longer parenting experience then you. Remember to think before you insult people...especially as a mod.

I dont think he meant your parents in particular man. If your parents are instilling good values (which Im sure they are) Im sure Lemur would be proud.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I dont think he meant your parents in particular man. If your parents are instilling good values (which Im sure they are) Im sure Lemur would be proud.

Was more appalled about the fact that a seemingly mature mod was throwing insults this way and that. Directed at my parents or not they fall under his "idiot" category for buying a doll.

[Kekvit Irae]

It just wouldn't be a backroom topic without a healthy capitalism argument.

[LittleGrizzly]

Being part Marxist and part Fascist

thats got to be complicated...

These articles argue that girls, as young as four to five, are exposed to sexual themes in every day living, from the slogans on the clothes they wear ("So Many Boys, So Little Time"),

That seems a bit much for a 4-5 year old to be wearing, i would say it would be ok for a teenager, it doesn't nessecarily refer to sex but having boyfriends...

In terms of the way they dress....

Having slogans such as the one above seems a bit much for anyone under the age of about 13 or 14 to me... but general slogans to do with having boyfriends rather than having sex is ok for me... i wouldn't really want my daughter wearing slogans that contain sexual innuendo until they were at least 16 or 18

Then things like tops which show off your belly button aren't too bad i think, i remember my 14 yr old cousin arguing with her parents that she should be allowed to wear such a top, i agreed with her then and i agree with her now... that being said i wouldn't my 14 year old wearing short skirts and things which show a bit of cleavage, but belly showing tops aren't so bad...

What exactly is wrong with bratz dolls ? from what i have seen they don't seem to different to barbie... which being more famous i would've assumed would be brought up instead, the clothes they wear don't seem to bad to me, the inclusion of ken not really a sexual things more just making it all a more realistic game of house, girls like to play homemaker well boys like to play fighting (generally) so girls are going to have the types of toys they dress up and get boyfriends... this is unless bratz dolls are especially slutty (i think i have seen one once...)

In terms of music and idols, not sure on this one, whereas i would say most pre teens wouldn't really get the messages in the music i suppose they would understand the images somewhat...

[Lemur]

Alexander, I assure you I was not singling out your parents as nerf-catching drool monkeys. If you would take another look at the post to which you responded, I said:

"I see the Bratz dolls, and I see the inappropriately sexy clothes on sale at Old Navy, but I always wonder: What idiot buys that stuff? Remember, kids have no credit cards or cash. They can't vote or hold a job. Anything they want has to come through you. So what kind of brain-dead nerf-catching drool monkey do you have to be to think it's a good idea to buy all of this sexualized **** for your little girl?"

So I listed three elements: Bratz dolls, inappropriately sexy clothes and sexualized ****. I don't much like the Bratz dolls, but they were the lesser part of the equation.

As for my being a "mature mod," I was posting in the Backroom long before I donned the robes, and I only have mod powers in the Frontroom, so don't go throwing my status in my teeth to try to shut me up. I would much rather abandon being a mod than give up the rough and tumble of the Backroom.

Going back to the overall topic ...

Capitalism? Only tangentially to blame. Liberalism? Only tangentially to blame. The biggest problem has been the re-definition of marriage and parenting over the last forty years, and for that all political parties are to blame. Crazed Rabbit, didn't you ever notice that the average Republican politician is on his second or third wife? What kind of message does that send? More importantly, what kind of damage has that Senator/Congressman/State Representative done at home by discarding his first wife like a used bike?

And the sexual revolution of the '60s bears a good bit of blame as well, for de-stigmatizing divorce and de-emphasizing responsibility.

Another problem is the "everybody holds down a job" economy. My wife and I have made the sacrifices necessary to make sure one of us is always home for the kids. Warehousing your children in a day care system is not the best way to ensure that they have high self-esteem and self-reliance. Having one parent at home, especially in the early years of development, is a good thing.

Gotta run, but I'll post more and defend the indefensible later.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

So I listed three elements: Bratz dolls, inappropriately sexy clothes and sexualized ****. I don't much like the Bratz dolls, but they were the lesser part of the equation.

...but part of the equation nonetheless. I see.

[Yoyoma1910]

Keep your name calling to yourself Lemur. My little sister is 8, and my parents have plenty of control of the "sexuality" aspect of her life (if there is such a thing). They've bought her a Bratz doll, which has little impact on her overall mentality. They're not idiots and have longer parenting experience then you. Remember to think before you insult people...especially as a mod.

No need to get so irate about a Bratz doll. It's just an obvious example of an oversexed marketing campaign aimed at youth.