What do we need to make E.B better?

[MerlinusCDXX]

Sorry for the double post, but after reading back through the thread I wanted to reply to this.


Yes. Pretty much any of the senate "missions" would be more important, for me, than Saba.

Until this thread, I have NEVER seen anyone defend Saba. Their family member bodyguard is very weak, and their unit selection is very limited. I don't say this just to infuriate whoever designed the Saba faction, but if you are asknig for ways to improve EB, then either scrap Saba and reintroduce some fun missions that a variety of factions could take advantage of, or improve the Saba faction unit selection and bodyguard.

I was just stunned how many people are defending Saba in the thread here, when I have never seen a pro-Saba post before this.


edit: and yes, I have played Saba. I didn't conquer the world as them, because I found them rather weak and boring, but I did try playing them.

edit2: again, i hope this post doesn't come off as offensive to the EB team. I love your game. Just offering opinions on ways to improve it.

Ummm...gonna have to disagree with that statement. This post, while not particularly lengthy or eloquent, was meant as a type of "defense" or endorsement for having the Saba as a faction. They serve a great purpose for me, as I usually play AS, Pontos, Hayasdan, and Pahlava. If they did not exist, playing the diplomacy game in the Levant would be impossible, since you can't have diplomatic relations with Eleutheroi (rebels/independents/bandits). If I didn't take them on as a "junior partner", I'd be spending my turns fighting off repetitive Ptolemaioi stacks that can't beat my armies, but clog up my turns so that it takes hours just to play 2 turns or so. I like long campaigns, but there's just a limit on how many times I can stomach fighting the same boring-ass stack in the same boring-ass desert. As any of the factions I play, other than the AS, there would be no interest or historical plausibility for taking their lands. So there is another defense for the Saba.

PS. Have you read either of Berkeley Boi's Saba AARs ? Just that alone blows out the notion that "no one defends or cares about the Saba".

[Ca Putt]

I have to admit, that if someone would ask me which faction to delete, I would answer Saba. I will probably never play as saba, only I play all other civs before(exept for romans :P ) whih could take some time. but still Saba is much better than senate missions. for one, who is arround in the south? AS Carthage and Ptolemies, all of them can be considered "BIG" saba brings a relatively small opponent into the region, although they are not realy expansive, in my campaign most of what they got from the Ptolemies was a gift of mine^^(in fact the only "interesting" thing they did till now was to send a fullstack army against the AS :( ). appart from that they are VERY unique, they don't have those endless Phalanxes, which i've learned to fight by now but realy make expanding into the near east a pain in the ass.
that said, I think the importance of Saba could be increaced by more regional levies in that region(if possible even a elite unit). If i look at the recruitment viewer that region is either red or not colored at all! there is just nothing that would motivate you to expand down there, other than conquering the whole world :( there has to be SOMETHING that could increace the popularity of that region.

[satalexton]

believe it or not, but my first faction in 1.0 was Saba, and it was fun and fresh using armies of archer spearmen...

[Pontius Pilate]

Ummm...gonna have to disagree with that statement. This post, while not particularly lengthy or eloquent, was meant as a type of "defense" or endorsement for having the Saba as a faction. They serve a great purpose for me, as I usually play AS, Pontos, Hayasdan, and Pahlava. If they did not exist, playing the diplomacy game in the Levant would be impossible, since you can't have diplomatic relations with Eleutheroi (rebels/independents/bandits). If I didn't take them on as a "junior partner", I'd be spending my turns fighting off repetitive Ptolemaioi stacks that can't beat my armies, but clog up my turns so that it takes hours just to play 2 turns or so. I like long campaigns, but there's just a limit on how many times I can stomach fighting the same boring-ass stack in the same boring-ass desert. As any of the factions I play, other than the AS, there would be no interest or historical plausibility for taking their lands. So there is another defense for the Saba.

PS. Have you read either of Berkeley Boi's Saba AARs ? Just that alone blows out the notion that "no one defends or cares about the Saba".

what was the point of posting that link? it led me to a single post with a single sentence in it. I hardly call that a good defense for Saba. you seriously couldn't find anything else? that was a pretty bad endorsment for the Saba faction.

[Zarax]

Game balance is what led to Saba, XGM had to go the same road...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Ok. Some people do not think Saba is necessary. Others think it is a nice addition to EB. Just agree to disagree or this thread is going to turn dirty and will be locked.

[Zarax]

To sum it all: De gustibus non disputandum est.

EDIT: Some kind mod might like to split the thread to keep its original constructiveness.

[MerlinusCDXX]

what was the point of posting that link? it led me to a single post with a single sentence in it. I hardly call that a good defense for Saba. you seriously couldn't find anything else? that was a pretty bad endorsment for the Saba faction.

The point was that the Saba faction has a purpose in the game even in a thread about something else, and even if one doesn't play them personally.

As for the link leading to a single post, at least I keep to the topic of the thread and post something relevant, rather than injecting OMG Romanz roxors LS ROMA VICTOR into any thread no matter the topic.