The Prometheus: Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[ULC]

But you are trapped then.... because if Reenk investigates you tonight and IF you are Mafia then you will have no choice but to kill him.....or tell him to investigate someone else(Unlikely since Mithrandir will be lynched) and he did have you next on his list of guys to investigate.....

You assuming I am having an issue with him investigating me. I don't, why would I? It's really the perfect setup the mafia has me in, but frozen or killed, it shouldn't matter. At least you'll listen to me once it's over.

[Mithrandir]

Yes, I changed style. Yes, the endgame has started.No i am not maffia, or anything else except a towny.

You have my word.

Ichigo voting for RR is weird since RR cleared him from suspicion. But, like I did the whole game, I''ll countervote.

unvote: YLC
Vote: Reenk Roink

[ULC]

Why are you tying it up Mithrandir?

[Peasant Phill]

I'm used to the fact that my style of play and the time I can spend on this forum nets me some votes as semi-lurker. So I won't retaliate for that or even defend myself to elaboratly. Just this: Would a (semi-)lurking mafia be of any use in this stage of the game?

Secondly, I see no reason to vote Reenk. If he's mafia, then he played real gutsy and was very lucky on top of that. And as he cleared Ichigo already, I'll vote Mith.

[Sigurd]

*Why are people voting our savior in troubled times?*


Tally

Mith: 2 (RR, YLC)
RR: 2 (Ichigo, Mith)

PP: 1 (Seamus)

Not voting: 3 (Alexander, PP, TB)

[pevergreen]

Because he isnt 100% our saviour.

If RR faked it and just sacrificed one of his convertees, he then has sway over the town. As long as he is alive, we cant be 100% sure of his innocence.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Folks, this is mafia, where paranoia is both a healthy survival tool AND the means of your own destruction.

If you endlessly chain out possibilities, then you must acknowledge that ANYTHING is POSSIBLE. That does not mean that you should steer your voting that way. After all, I coul be killed before finishing this post should an airliner plummet into my home -- but while POSSIBLE it's not the way I'm going to plan out my day. Use what evidence you have, make a reasonable assessment of the probabilities, and move forward. Endlessly spinning the possibilities leads to inaction and that will get the town dead.


If conversion does feature as a component of this game (reasonable though unconfirmed supposition), then it is possible (though unlikely) that the detective role would be open to conversion.

Reenk's info has borne out so far, including the write-up of the last lynch. It is possible that CR purposely wrote to confuse us, but his write-up indicates the lynch was of the primary eco-agent. This does not preclude the existence of other eco-agents, but does suggest, in combination with the lynch of Pizza, that we have accomplished much in removing the threat to Prometheus.

Reenk is NOT, therefore, a good vote at this juncture. Yes, its possible he's been converted, or that he always was mafia and has done this as a "Queen's Gambit" strategy to win. The writeups and his style thus far do not lead me to think this.


Phil: Why the overly "noble" crap about not voting vengeance-style? I clearly labeled my vote on you as a pressure tactic. It was the explanation I wanted. And to answer your question, if the chap in question is openly and generally acknowledged to be a semi-lurker then his reputation can make him a good mafioso choice.

Mith is my other consideration at this stage though. His role-playing indicates quite a bit of involvment in the game, but also sets up nicely as a tactic.

I'll leave the vote alone for now, but must ponder.

[Reenk Roink]

I have realized that there is never any real glory in detective roles, but hey, it beats being a townie.

Seriously though, I accept my fate. I truly had missed Mafia.

My advice if people are still willing to listen to me:

1) Leave Ichigo and Seamus alone for the moment. Yes, it is always a possibility that they could have been converted, but to be honest, the plausibility of that (to the town, I'm basically 100% sure they haven't been, at least definitely not yet, unless Crazed Rabbit changes the dynamic later on) should be less than than the plausibility of me lying (which again is to the town, as I am 100% sure I am at least relating to you whatever info Crazed Rabbit gave me). If we don't flush out the Mafia in the next two rounds, than the entire game has to be reevaluated.

2) Peasant Phill is tough to judge because he is so good at keeping a same alibi and behavior. However, I was never one to follow the behavior change = more than townie thing myself and I believe him for now. He was never on my suspect list and still is not.

3) Mithrandir and YLC are obviously my two biggest suspects. I have others, but for the moment they will be unnamed. Nothing near the suspicion I had of Seamus (fail) or seireikhaan (incredible success), but still a lot more than just a gut feeling.

4) If you are going to lynch me, do it now. Get rid of all possible avenues of suspicion against me. By the endgame, the worst thing is having a couple or even several suspects. You must decide now, because I fear I will be used as a pawn in the Mafia.

5) Suicides are the most selfish and stupid thing ever. I would never suicide, and neither should any of you just because someone thinks you are suspicious. You may think you are doing a noble thing in clearing your name up, but you are just making it easier for the Mafia, getting them one step closer. We should be extremely happy that there has only been 1 Wrath of God this game.

6: Happy Thanksgiving.

[Mithrandir]

Like I said before, investigate me. Please.

unvote Reenk Roink
Vote: PEasant Phill

Inactive this whole time and then returning just to bandwagon me.

Clearly I'm pretty much dead meat now,

Like I said, you have my word that I'm innocent. So good job for lynching me */sarcasm\*

I'll just enjoy the last few moments on this spacecraft, eating my remaining camelcheese and drinking my last few gallons of camelmilk.

[Sigurd]

*I believe Reenk for now. His story checks out. In the round pever was voted out and supposedly the round he investigated pever, he stated that he thought pever was not guilty.
When pever stated that you have lynched the wrong man, RR replied: "Correct" with the subtle emoticons he usually use when sitting on esoteric game info. Those who have played against RR before, know this.*

[Crazed Rabbit]

Voting Stopped, Tallying.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

PPhill: 11 (Seamus, Mithrandir)
Mithrandir: 111 (YLC, PPhill, Reenk)
Reenk: 1 (Ichigo)

After a long day of discussion the crew had settled on whom to imprison. They went to the Captain, or rather, to the meeting room. For the second time today, but perhaps only the third time on this entire trip, the Captain was late to a meeting.

But he arrived shortly and directed the security men to grab Mithrandir after he was selected. He was grabbed without resistance and led to the cryo-chamber, holding an odd bottle of whitish liquid. Along the way, he protested his innocence before entering the cryo-chamber.

But the whole time passed without incident, and everyone breathed a sigh of relief after yesterday's imprisoning of the fanatic.

"This discussion is good, crewmembers, though it came to nought today. We shall have to try harder tomorrow and leave no stone unturned in our search. Be wary tonight," said The Captain.

"Oh, one more thing; There are some who did not participate today. Make sure that you don't continue this, or you know what I will do."

And so the crew went to sleep.

Alive (7)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Alexander The Pretty Good


Killed (6)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (9)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir

[White_eyes:D]

Sorry Reenk.....out of your two "suspects" I believe you....how do I say it? oh.. yes, Screwed the pooch... Note to everyone: Never underestimate new Mafia players that you have never seen before.....they could hand your *** to you.... YLC will lie his way out.....again*sighs*

[pevergreen]

We know that White Eyes. A certain PK managed to play the entire town in his first mafia game.

[Chaotix]

Who's PK? Or maybe you meant SK/Serial Killer?

Gah. No votes for YLC at all. Reenk, please investigate him so that we can prove his guilt or innocence. Assuming you can... it's every other night that you can do this, right?

[Reenk Roink]

Wowowow...

I sent my PM right after the night had started to Crazed Rabbit to get one back before the kill stage (sometimes he puts the kill stage up BEFORE replying to my investigation and sometimes AFTER it so it seems to be dependent on who sends the PM first).

You head to the cabin of Peasant Phill but quickly realize something is amiss when your entry card fails to open the door. After several attempts at swiping it to no avail, you settle on the more indirect method of overriding the lock system manually. However, after noticing that the panel has been completely rewired, you run out of ideas. Briefly considering and discarding the idea of cutting your way through, you go and investigate other cabins and notice the same changes. Dejected, you return to your room.

I sent a PM to Crazed Rabbit after this asking if I still could do investigations. What I got back was:

"You can try.

CR"

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yes, though I posted otherwise, my real suspects this past round were Mithrandir and Peasant Phill. How stupid do you think the Reenkmaistro is divulging his exact plans in public? Just keeping you on your toes Mafia, a battle of wits is a bad deal for you.

Sorry Reenk.....out of your two "suspects" I believe you....how do I say it? oh.. yes, Screwed the pooch... Note to everyone: Never underestimate new Mafia players that you have never seen before.....they could hand your *** to you.... YLC will lie his way out.....again*sighs*

What made YLC at that point a better choice than Mithrandir, who clearly just completely changed after khaan was lynched?

Anyway, my new piece of advice is watch Peasant Phill, who has had roles and portrayed the same behavior (Rise of the Mob), as well as Alexander the Pretty Good, who lurked his way to Jotun dominance under Loki's soothing words (Midgard Saga).

[White_eyes:D]

I admit I am shocked....Reenk, who after doing such a impressive reveal.....is going to make the town lose because he is judging people based on how they played past games and if they stop roleplaying?? He is either a Mafia/Serial Killer or REALLY wants revenge on guys who may have whooped him in the past either way YLC well go free...

[pevergreen]

If you have such great proof, come out and say it.

All we have is your continuing crusade against YLC.

PK = PrivateerKev

[Chaotix]

Against Peasant Phill and Alexander, we have only speculation based on previous games, which is, although sometimes right, not really substantial if we were to go by a correct-to-incorrect instance basis.

Against YLC, however, we do have some evidence. It has been pretty much established in the killings before the Pizzaguy lynch that there were already three mafia then. Unless another townie has been converted, it's been those same three mafia from the beginning. If we go back to Pizzaguy's lynch, we see this:

Pizzaguy: IIIII (shlin, ATPG, Pevergreen, Ichi, Seamus)
Chaotix: IIIII (khaan, YLC, Pizzaguy, White Eyes, Reenk)
Shlin: I (Chaotix
Phill: I (Beefy)
YLC: I (Mithrandir)
Beefy: I (TB )
Reenk: II (Yoyoma, Chaotix)

Alexander voted for Pizzaguy. In a lynch that close, I don't think he would have dared to vote for a fellow mafia. Phill didn't vote. In this case it's less certain, but in a close lynch like that, wouldn't the mafia want to be sure that their allies survive?

As for those who did vote for me, only YLC and Reenk are still alive. Reenk has been established as the detective, and if he lied, it was a very, very gutsy move to have khaan lynched. Plus, he was changing his vote back and forth between me and Pizzaguy, and actually his final vote would have been on Pizzaguy if there wasn't a time extension.

YLC, on the other hand, has no such evidence towards his innocence. He voted for me in that lynch, and became annoyed when I was about to be lynched and then pevergreen tied it up. That seems like substantial, if not solid grounds for a lynch to me.

Town only has 2, maybe three nights left to get this last mafia. We have to get this right, or we lose, and YLC seems the best choice to me. White Eyes' "crusade", while a bit overzealous, is not without reason.

There. That enough proof?

[White_eyes:D]

*Check post above* and also YLC has always responded to my posts.....even if it had only a hint of truth to it he was quick to shoot it down.....and don't be to quick to trust Reenk, as I find it too convenient that for this night his Investigations stop and that he has other suspects in mind all of a sudden(it reeks of a SK/Mafia or even a third faction move) He might also not have been fully truthful about them no longer being able to convert...(what if Reenk is the Main Mafia?*shudders*)....Can Reenk show us the PM that said they can no longer convert with Khaan gone?

[Peasant Phill]

Anyway, my new piece of advice is watch Peasant Phill, who has had roles and portrayed the same behavior (Rise of the Mob)

I've always had the same behavior in all the mafia games Iv'e played so far, namely to log on once a day and respond. This isn't a tactic as it usually gets me killed by the mafia somewhere in the middle of the game. I play this way as it's all I have time for.
Secondly, it's true I've had roles in previous games or more accuratly I've had one role namely the role of doctor.

The only advice I can give you is to look at my posts rather than my posting behaviour and see if I actively helped the mafia or did anything in the least suspicous.

Heh, at least this fingerpointing in my direction will give me a bigger chance to survive the night.

[ULC]

*Looks around a bit, then sighs* Why are you continually reposting evidence from several pages ago that has been clearly stated? Do you need to convince yourselves to lynch me? Why? Go with the logical choice! If it is me, then it is me! If I am town, then I can still help, probably more so! If I am mafia, you have won the game (well, if they can no longer convert)!

In any case, I'll keep mulling over my thoughts and will present them when they can actually be taken seriously. Just an FYI, I am the ships comm officer.

[Mithrandir]

Great job town.

Next time I give my word, take it.

[White_eyes:D]

Great job town.

Next time I give my word, take it.

Hey, it was mostly Reenks fault

[White_eyes:D]

I found the evidence that should get YLC lynched

His quote from earlier.....

Just an FYI, I am the ships comm officer.

but Townies don't get PMs, so you should not have a role.....(I was totally confused by that when I started but then saw CR's post about townies not getting pms and only pro-town roles getting them or Mafias....)

[Askthepizzaguy]

What if he has a pro-town role, White_eyes? Wouldn't that mean he got a role pm?

[pevergreen]

First decent thing ATPG has said.

I do not believe YLC should be lynched next.

[White_eyes:D]

First decent thing ATPG has said.

I do not believe YLC should be lynched next.

WHY WOULD Pizza Guy defend a pro-town when he WAS and is still team MAFIA??
pevergreen have you lost it?? Plus, what kind of role would a comm officer have? *thinks for a few seconds* NONE or being Brainwashed....

[pevergreen]

What is the objective of the mafia? To get rid of the town. They do this by killing.

What does the mafia do after they are dead, and have admitted it? They create confusion. Go read through past games and see what dead mafia have done to confuse the town. Why would ATPG defend YLC? To create confusion. Is he defending a scum buddy? Is he trying to make it look like he is? I'm pretty sure its the latter.

Who says the roles have to make sense? I was a canabalistic rune carver in one game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Perfectly logical reasoning, pevergreen.