OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

**Zim** · 12-13-2008, 01:03

This will sound kind of sad but I'm having trouble with the "new" (changed right before I left a couple months ago) army rules. I understand the private army system was done away with. Wasn't it replaced with some system where Houses received so many troops depending on how many settlements or something they have? I couldn't find it in the rules thread. Is it just up to the Megas now?

I'm trying to figure out how Asteri stands militarily, whether to request more troops, etc, since Nevoulos fell taking Crete...

**flyd** · 12-13-2008, 01:16

TC,

I was also under the impression that the CA did not apply to my war, which is the only reason I made no statement. I thought it didn't apply because I was not a party in the Nicosia peace negotiations. Our war was a separate deal for different reasons. I'll make an IC post to declare the non-applicability, which you can treat as a fresh declaration of war if you're in a bureaucratic mood. It would only change the official start date.

**Zim** · 12-13-2008, 01:38

So....the save is open now? Or is Iggy taking it to do something (seemed that way from his post).

Looking forward to moving my character for the first time.

**Ignoramus** · 12-13-2008, 03:01

I'm just getting my copy of MTWII working with LotR, and then the save will be open. It shouldn't be too long.

**TinCow** · 12-13-2008, 04:53

Originally Posted by Zim

Does it make a difference that noone involved in that particular war was involved in the peace treaty?

Having just come back recently and skimmed through posts quickly to catch up I'm a bit confused by the connection between some of the civil wars. Were they all part of one big (if uneventful) war? If I were in the game before the session and declared war on some other unaligned senator for reasons completely unrelated to any of the other wars that were ongoing, and the same legislation was passed (without comment from me or my opponent) would my war be ended as well?

Just trying to understand how this type of legislation works now that precedent has been set for it.

Originally Posted by flyd

TC,

I was also under the impression that the CA did not apply to my war, which is the only reason I made no statement. I thought it didn't apply because I was not a party in the Nicosia peace negotiations. Our war was a separate deal for different reasons. I'll make an IC post to declare the non-applicability, which you can treat as a fresh declaration of war if you're in a bureaucratic mood. It would only change the official start date.

Apologies to all. As I understood it, the legislation was designed to end the entire war, since no one seemed keen to fight it. I certainly did not want to end conflicts that people actually want, I just did not see any evidence of any eagerness to continue the fight by anyone. The Komneni-Petzean Conflict will continue as it had before without the need for a further declaration. If anyone else still wishes remain at war, please speak up.

**TinCow** · 12-13-2008, 04:55

Originally Posted by Zim

This will sound kind of sad but I'm having trouble with the "new" (changed right before I left a couple months ago) army rules. I understand the private army system was done away with. Wasn't it replaced with some system where Houses received so many troops depending on how many settlements or something they have? I couldn't find it in the rules thread. Is it just up to the Megas now?

I'm trying to figure out how Asteri stands militarily, whether to request more troops, etc, since Nevoulos fell taking Crete...

It's vastly simpler now. You personally own all units that start the turn in a stack with your avatar or in the garrison of a fort/settlement you own. However you manage to obtain new units is up to you, with the added benefit that House leaders get 'Prioritized Units' in the same manner as Prioritized Buildings. Check the rank rules to see which ranks get how many PUs.

**rossahh** · 12-13-2008, 05:41

Can someone help me with two particular problems.

Our current feudal chain is something like this.

Comes - Ammonathas Kalameteros (once he is granted Thessaloniki)

Comes - Sophronius Komnenous

Domestikos - Andreas Dermokaitis

Antypatos - Zigavinos Vasilakios

Antypatos (not enough turns for Patrikos) - Magnetios Kalameteros

Antypatos (not enough turns for Dux) - Savvas ek Militou

Patrikios (not enough turns for Megas Dux) - Aleksios ek Ikoniou

Dux (not enough turns for Megas Dux) - Ioannis Kalameteros

The rules state that a Megas Dux

Originally Posted by The Rules

Penalties:
(1) Cannot swear an Oath of Fealty to another Senator.

As Aleksios needs another 15 turns to reach this rank (5 as Patrikios, 10 as Dux) it is unlikely it will happen but what would be the result of Aleksios reaching the Megas Dux rank? He can no longer be a vassel to Ioannis Kalameteros. Does that mean he has to stay as Dux or does Ioannis get the carpet yanked from out underneath him?

My second problem is about this statement for each rank's prioritized buildings/units allocation.

Originally Posted by The Rules

If this rank is held during a Normal Senate Session...unless the [rank] is loyal to another Senator.

Does this mean the rank at the beginning of a normal senate session, as oaths cannot be officially recognised until the senate session closes?

If this is so our feudal chain has a big problem as at the beginning of the session, our ranks were:

Strator - Ammonathas Kalameteros (unaligned)

Comes - Sophronius Komnenous

Comes - Andreas Dermokaitis

Hypatos - Zigavinos Vasilakios (excluded from swearing an oath for 5 turns)

Comes - Magnetios Kalameteros

Comes - Savvas ek Militou

Comes - Aleksios ek Ikoniou

Comes - Ioannis Kalameteros

Which would mean from our 8 strong feudal chain, we are only entitled to a Hypatos's number of PUs and no PBs.

**TinCow** · 12-13-2008, 14:59

Originally Posted by rossahh

The rules state that a Megas Dux As Aleksios needs another 15 turns to reach this rank (5 as Patrikios, 10 as Dux) it is unlikely it will happen but what would be the result of Aleksios reaching the Megas Dux rank? He can no longer be a vassel to Ioannis Kalameteros. Does that mean he has to stay as Dux or does Ioannis get the carpet yanked from out underneath him?

If that happened, I would allow someone to simply decline the promotion to Megas Dux and remain at Dux.

My second problem is about this statement for each rank's prioritized buildings/units allocation. Does this mean the rank at the beginning of a normal senate session, as oaths cannot be officially recognised until the senate session closes?

...

Which would mean from our 8 strong feudal chain, we are only entitled to a Hypatos's number of PUs and no PBs.

Correct, you didn't get yourselves organized before the Senate session started, so you only get accesss to the PUs that you warranted at that time.

**TinCow** · 12-13-2008, 15:28

Please speak up if you disagree with any of the following.

LotR Death Row:

Nathanail ek Korinthou (BananaBob) - Inactive for 4 months
Makedonios Ksanthopoulos (Privateerkev) - Inactive for 3 months and requested suicide when he left
Nikolaos Aristenos (YLC) - Requested suicide and new avatar
Vissarionas ek Lesvou (Ramses II CP) - Requested suicide, unsure about new avatar
Klimis Dokeianos (GeneralHankerchief) - Requested suicide, will continue to participate as an avatarless Senator for Magaura purposes

Moving from Active to Inactive (and losing their provinces as a result):
Ioannis Kantakouzinos (Kagemusha) - Inactive in the game for the last 2 months and missed the last two Senate votes
Nikiphoros Manouelitis (Warmaster Horus) - Inactive in the game for the last 2 months (and only 1 post for the month preceding that) and missed the last two Senate votes.
Lisas Attaleiatis (00jebus) - Inactive in the game for the last 3 months and missed the last two Senate votes.

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 12-13-2008, 16:58

How can we explain all these deaths IC I wonder? I mean, 4 out of 5 requested suicide?

**Ramses II CP** · 12-13-2008, 17:41

In my mind I consider Vissa to have abandoned the Empire and struck out on his own following his failure to catch the Summit session at Nicosia.

One last thing I want to mention is that in V's later stories, post siege of Cairo, the 'god' he refers to is meant to symbolize LotR collectively; I tried to put myself in the mindset of a person who often found himself in positions where his life and values were at risk without quite understanding why he was there, or what was going on in the world around him. I think my ideas on the story arc for V were just too static at the start of the game, so as they were increasingly derailed his personality and his justifications for his actions meshed less and less with who he thought of himself as being, resulting in heavy existential questions he wasn't equipped to handle rationally.

I hope it formed an entertaining contrast.