Greek Riots

[Fragony]

Can you be sure these are "rich kids"?

Anarchists are without exception from well off families, and how else could they find the time to burn shops instead of having to work in one in a country as poor and corrupt as Greece? Clue, university, students, costs money

How many of the countries higher than Greece have had Anarchists rioting in the streets?

You have got to be kidding me

[Prince Cobra]

Anarchists are without exception from well off families, and how else could they find the time to burn shops instead of having to work in one in a country as poor and corrupt as Greece? Clue, university, students, costs money

How many of the countries higher than Greece have had Anarchists rioting in the streets?

You have got to be kidding me

France experienced something similiar.


I have mixed feelings about the chaos on the streets, though.

[Husar]

So hating the government makes it right to burn private property now?
So maybe when Fragony gets too many warning points, the moderators should ban HoreTore in protest?

[Fragony]

France experienced something similiar.

Yeah, they wanted all non-communist teachers fired had an educational misunderstanding

[Fragony]

Ah, well that should keep him warm, good thing we have activists Greek police can be quite brutal

EDIT: Removed hotlinked picture. BG

Meanwhile, bored rich kids causing trouble because some people work for a living, or are just lucky enough to be able to hand over half their money so that bored rich kids can live on the government, in the same way they are used to getting money from their parents. If you don't speak dutch it will be hard to recognize the activist background of the unfunded and unbiased independent reporter.

http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/v..._rijkerds.html

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Ah, well that should keep him warm, good thing we have activists Greek police can be quite brutal

I hope the officer is alright.

[Fragony]

I hope the officer is alright.

Probably dead by now look at him he is burning like a candle. It's a good thing some people have ideals don't you think.

[Meneldil]

What does that have to do with bored rich kids burning stores? If Greece was the least corrupt country the anarchists wouldn't act any different

Do you have any proof that these people are rich kids, or are you just making that up, according to the usual anti-intellectual/anti-youth right-winged rethoric ?

Anarchists are without exception from well off families, and how else could they find the time to burn shops instead of having to work in one in a country as poor and corrupt as Greece? Clue, university, students, costs money

BS, otherwise, why would people go on strike ? They lose money, time and what not, yet they decide to do it.

While I despise most of the people who rioted in France a few years ago, it could hardly be said they were rich, anarchists or even leftists.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Do you have any proof that these people are rich kids, or are you just making that up, according to the usual anti-intellectual/anti-youth right-winged rethoric ?

It is not ironic that it sounds very unintellectual when the left calls the right anti-intellectual?

[Fragony]

Do you have any proof that these people are rich kids, or are you just making that up, according to the usual anti-intellectual/anti-youth right-winged rethoric ?

They are students, studying costs money. They can study, so their parents have it. And because they have the time to burn shops, which they wouldn't even consider doing if they were working class kids who know about hard labour, and because they, much unlike people who are motivated by something, and study instead of riot because they want to make something out of their lives, riot, 1+1=2.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

They are students, studying costs money. They can study, so their parents have it. And because they have the time to burn shops, which they wouldn't even consider doing if they were working class kids who know about hard labour, and because they, much unlike people who are motivated by something, and study instead of riot because they want to make something out of their lives, riot, 1+1=2.

Exactly. These are at least upper-middle class students attending these Universities who are tearing apart innocent businesses. They really are a bunch of spoiled brats running around like idiots. It is really a shame the Greek police aren't more assertive. The stupid protection they have on campus is a crock and from the investigation so far the killing of the 15 year old boy was a ricochet. This is absurd!

[Meneldil]

It is not ironic that it sounds very unintellectual when the left calls the right anti-intellectual?

Well, anti-intellectualism has been a defining factor of the Right's discurse since the beginning of the modern era, whether you like it or not. It has since then been succesfully exported to the far-left, but it doesn't change the fact it was first used by the reactionnary right.

They are students, studying costs money. They can study, so their parents have it. And because they have the time to burn shops, which they wouldn't even consider doing if they were working class kids who know about hard labour, and because they, much unlike people who are motivated by something, and study instead of riot because they want to make something out of their lives, riot, 1+1=2.

So yeah, you're making that up and don't have anything concrete to back up your claims :-/

One year at the Uni in France costs 400€, which is roughly equal to 15 days of work for a student. I'd hardly call that hard labour.
Of course, Greece isn't France, the country is poorer, but the wealth of a country often bears no relevance to the tuition fees one has to pay in said country. For all I know, University could be free in Greece.

On a sidenote, I'm glad that in some countries, students don't have to work to pay for the university.

Then, according to your wonderful and flawless reasoning, what about:
- workers who go on strike ?
- workers who riot and destroy stuff ?
I guess they have no clue about the value of money and of hard larbour and just act as spoiled kids

Notice that I have absolutely no sympathy for the rioters, since I'm pretty sure most of them just want to blow things up for the heck of it (I don't have much sympathy for the greek government as well), but it looks like your attempt to describe them as just upper class people who want to have fun is to say the least, baseless.

[Fragony]

It is really a shame the Greek police aren't more assertive. The stupid protection they have on campus is a crock and from the investigation so far the killing of the 15 year old boy was a ricochet. This is absurd!

Ya, smack them around the ears good and they will soon remember that pappa is a judge. Just shoot them when police-officers get torched the dye is cast.

but it looks like your attempt to describe them as just upper class people who want to have fun is to say the least, baseless.

As I said, anarchists are, without exceptions, from rich family's. Can't think of a revolutionary that wasn't really. Can't think of any anarchist student with a job either, why would they when your pappa is rich. If I am wrong, look around you.

EDIT: Removed hotlinked picture. BG

Oh sorry when someone is burned alive it looks like this;



That is one cooked cop, ouch looks hot

http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/v...itieburea.html

^- Ah, bored rich kids attack the police station.

[JR-]

the sequence of pictures is shown here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pict...in-Greece.html

one thing i have always admired the french for is the carte blanche they give their riot police when things go sour, and i sincerely hope that the scrote in the first linked picture was taken down a back alley and beaten into a bloody pulp, just like the french riot police were rumoured to do.

[edit] in other news - greece has run out of tear gas and is appealing for more. give it to them i say. [/edit]

[Fragony]

Hmmm at least the officer doesn't seem to be hurt that badly, I thought he was done for for sure that is good at least. No pocket-money for that guy for at least a year I say.

[InsaneApache]

Greece is indeed corrupt, it's a national pastime. It's also a police state. As for the rioters, they should get some social workers in and give them a damn good talking to.

[Tribesman]

Probably dead by now look at him he is burning like a candle.

Is that another of your 1+1=2 things Frag ?
Does it really =3 ?

Hmmm at least the officer doesn't seem to be hurt that badly

That should have been obvious from the picture you posted , besides the riot gear being flame retardent the flames were the wrong colour and didn't have enough smoke .
Bloody Greek amatuer anarchists can't even add the little specials to make a petrol bomb work properly .
I blame their education

one thing i have always admired the french for is the carte blanche they give their riot police when things go sour

Which is why France doesn't have riots quite frequently and they don't spread to other parts of the country and don't last for days , especially when the riots are not fuelled by police brutality

in other news - greece has run out of tear gas and is appealing for more. give it to them I say.

Well alternately there is this politician who is campaigning for his country to make savings by getting rid of all non-lethal equipment for crowd control , perhaps Greece can give Likud a call

[Fragony]

I am not particulary well schooled in commenting on the various degrees in which people can burn Tribes I am kinda lacking in experience. So I go with what I know: fire, hot, ouch!, thus, fire bad, so consequently: molotov cocktail equals not nice.

Not talking about firewater mind you have a few on me.

[Tribesman]

I am not particulary well schooled in commenting on the various degrees in which people can burn Tribes I am kinda lacking in experience.

And I sincerely hope that never experience people burning as it isn't a nice thing to experience .

OK , so given your lack of knowledge don't you think as you have this internet thingy you could look at a news source and see if their is like a big frontpage headline saying "Greek policeman killed by rioters" ?

molotov cocktail equals not nice.

Yes not nice , but a properly made one is really really not nice whereas a crappy one just looks good for a short photo oppertunity .

[JR-]

Which is why France doesn't have riots quite frequently and they don't spread to other parts of the country and don't last for days , especially when the riots are not fuelled by police brutality

perhaps they give their riot police license because they have to, as a result of the national french past time being a weekly strike leavened with a monthly riot? :p

regardless, throwing a petrol bomb at a police officer in a representative democracy is plenty enough reason for a back alley baton clubbing within an inch of his life, preferably followed by a stiff sentence during which the jury serenely smile while the police explain how he 'resisted' arrest.

i view it with as much outrage as the asian subcontinents past time of throwing acid in girls faces.

[Fragony]

OK , so given your lack of knowledge don't you think as you have this internet thingy you could look at a news source and see if their is like a big frontpage headline saying "Greek policeman killed by rioters" ?

I do know it takes a few miserable days to die from burning wounds when they are severe enough. Happened to a family I used to visit as a kid, it will be a good day when I can just forget what it looks like.

[Husar]

Well, that's some tax money well spent on protective suits and mini fire extinguishers.
what the police could do is throw back some fragmentation grenades and see how the rioters like it when dangerous things are thrown at them.
Though I wouldn't say that's an excuse for police brutality either, but then police brutality isn't a reason for riots like this, if it's that bad, get guns and make a bloody revolution, but these half-arsed attempts never really work anyway.

[Kralizec]

I don't like the Greek government either (slight understatement), but that doesn't give you an excuse to destroy other people's property. But what do you expect, the vast majority of self-declared anarchists are scum themselves.

In the earlier days of the riots, I heard on the telly that in many blocks the destruction was pretty comprehensive - except that fastfood joints and cafetarias were often left untouched

[HoreTore]

[QUOTE=Fragony;2082491]They are students, studying costs money./QUOTE]

Free education FTW!

[InsaneApache]

The only thing free in life is fresh air.

[Fragony]

Free education FTW!

I wouldn't call it free education but I do hope someone is taking notes regardless.

[HoreTore]

I wouldn't call it free education but I do hope someone is taking notes regardless.

Education is free here and a few other countries, which I think is a really good idea, hence the "FTW"

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Yeah I wish the same were true in America. I'm looking at a minimum of $9,000 a year tuition and that is one of the cheapest prices for a good instituition. My other choices are around $17,000 and $20-30,000! This is robbery!

[HoreTore]

Yeah I wish the same were true in America. I'm looking at a minimum of $9,000 a year tuition and that is one of the cheapest prices for a good instituition. My other choices are around $17,000 and $20-30,000! This is robbery!

*points and laughs while digging up 10$ to pay his tuition*

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

*points and laughs while digging up 10$ to pay his tuition*

You pay the rest anyway, just with a tax form instead of a tuition bill.