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    From your post before this you seem to suggest I can't accept to whole im an evil sinner thing. So I have a question for you. Why can't you just accept when we die we become worm food and that's then end of it? You know as well the Hobbit has some pretty wonderful characters in that much like the bible. I'm starting to think that maybe Gandalf the Gray could be God because it's written in a pretty convincing narrative book.
    Did I say you were evil? I said you weren't perfect, perfection is the standard for entry into heaven.You wanted to know why you, as a "good person" couldn't get into heaven and I responded by pointing out that nobody is perfect, including you. As far as the Hobbit goes, the blunt answer is that Tolkien wasn't claiming any form of divine inspiration.

    And doctor Williams had said many things. In particular it was his comment about Sharia Law being accepted in the UK. He knew that wouldn't go down to well with his fellow church members or any one else for that matter. What he did know however is that it would bring the attention of the media on to the church. Something which he felt he needed to do because lets be honest religion isn't really all that important in comparison to what it was here 50 years ago.
    He said it was "unavoidable": http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm. A topic here at the .Org a few months ago proved him exactly right. As I said, he's a priest, he's not out to win popularity contests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Did I say you were evil? I said you weren't perfect, perfection is the standard for entry into heaven.You wanted to know why you, as a "good person" couldn't get into heaven and I responded by pointing out that nobody is perfect, including you. As far as the Hobbit goes, the blunt answer is that Tolkien wasn't claiming any form of divine inspiration.



    He said it was "unavoidable": http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm. A topic here at the .Org a few months ago proved him exactly right. As I said, he's a priest, he's not out to win popularity contests.

    He isn't out to win a popularity contest no. But are you honestly saying he wasn't doing it for publicity?

    And another problem I find with religion is the whole they seem to think there better than you approach. It's actually rather offensive to people to call them imperfect because they don't believe in something which has no solid evidence. To get at my original point again basically look at this statement.

    saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour is as important as protecting the environment.
    Now you wont find that offensive due to your personnel beliefs but lets see if you find this offensive..


    saving humanity from Christian or Roman Catholic behaviour is as important as protecting the environment.
    Are you telling me that wouldn't be offensive to you as a catholic. I'm sure if you were gay you would be offended by a statement such as the first one then wouldn't you. yet your trying to justify it as not offensive. I'm straight and even I find that statement offensive and quite vulgar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tibilicus View Post
    He isn't out to win a popularity contest no. But are you honestly saying he wasn't doing it for publicity?
    To be perfectly honest I think the Archbishop is not the most grounded or worldly of people and outside the Church and Seminary he's a fish out of water. He tends to put his foot in it.

    And another problem I find with religion is the whole they seem to think there better than you approach. It's actually rather offensive to people to call them imperfect because they don't believe in something which has no solid evidence. To get at my original point again basically look at this statement.
    You need to proof read better, you have the wrong "there", makes it a bit difficult to read. To be honest though I find it offensive as well, and I don't think I'm better than an atheist. I don't go in for earthly regeneration of sanctification.

    To deal with your point though, I saw the BBC tonight, as far as I can gather he did not say that. What he actually said is that men are men, women are women and the only good sex is the baby-making kind after the relationship has been sanctified by the Roman Church.

    Now, I never actually said he was right, what I said was that he's not saying it just because he's Roman Catholic, and that there is a strong secular anti-homosexual arguement which predates Christianity.

    Anyway, you have to admit that at a very basic biological level he has a point. If the only sex was homosexual then hummanity would be finished in a generation.

    Ultimately this has to do with power=politics, not homsexuality; that's just a side issue. The problem with gender theory for the Roman Catholic Church is that if men and women are essentially the same. and are only distinguished by learned behaviours, then the arguement for closing the priesthood to women begins to break down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    The BBC is left-wing, not neutral. Conversely the Telagraph has become increasingly pro-Catholic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    To be perfectly honest I think the Archbishop is not the most grounded or worldly of people and outside the Church and Seminary he's a fish out of water. He tends to put his foot in it.



    You need to proof read better, you have the wrong "there", makes it a bit difficult to read. To be honest though I find it offensive as well, and I don't think I'm better than an atheist. I don't go in for earthly regeneration of sanctification.

    To deal with your point though, I saw the BBC tonight, as far as I can gather he did not say that. What he actually said is that men are men, women are women and the only good sex is the baby-making kind after the relationship has been sanctified by the Roman Church.

    Now, I never actually said he was right, what I said was that he's not saying it just because he's Roman Catholic, and that there is a strong secular anti-homosexual arguement which predates Christianity.

    Anyway, you have to admit that at a very basic biological level he has a point. If the only sex was homosexual then hummanity would be finished in a generation.

    Ultimately this has to do with power=politics, not homsexuality; that's just a side issue. The problem with gender theory for the Roman Catholic Church is that if men and women are essentially the same. and are only distinguished by learned behaviours, then the arguement for closing the priesthood to women begins to break down.

    At a very basic biological level yes. The fact is it is wrong though due to the fact 10 % if that are actually gay. now that's still 90% of the population to reproduce. Doesn't seem like a problem to me.

    To go back to the point you gathered from the BBC tonight that isn't what he said despite the fact those words were quoted on the official BBC news website?

    Oh and thanks for pointing at my spelling and structure of my sentences. I'm actually a minor dyslexic so have to take a while to put my sentences together and even then they're sometimes muddled. Maybe it's Gods punishment for me though hey? I guess i'm just not as perfect as a catholic!
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    At a very basic biological level yes. The fact is it is wrong though due to the fact 10 % if that are actually gay. now that's still 90% of the population to reproduce. Doesn't seem like a problem to me.

    To go back to the point you gathered from the BBC tonight that isn't what he said despite the fact those words were quoted on the official BBC news website?

    Oh and thanks for pointing at my spelling and structure of my sentences. I'm actually a minor dyslexic so have to take a while to put my sentences together and even then they're sometimes muddled. Maybe it's Gods punishment for me though hey? I guess i'm just not as perfect as a catholic!
    and once again you dodge the actual point in any post thrown at you. We all agree that pope bashing gays = bad. We're just trying to argue that:

    1. All religion doesn't equal evil
    2. Everyone who's not an atheist isn't an idiot
    3. That this one incident doesn't prove that the catholic church is evil.
    Last edited by Lord Winter; 12-24-2008 at 02:44.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Winter View Post
    and once again you dodge the actual point in any post thrown at you. We all agree that pope bashing gays = bad. We're just trying to argue that:

    1. All religion doesn't equal evil
    2. Everyone who's not an atheist is an idiot
    3. That this one incident doesn't prove that the catholic church is evil.

    I never said all religion was evil, more that I merely disagree with all religion. Just because I disagree though doesn't mean I think of those Buddhist monks as evil people.

    I also don't think all non atheists are idiots. Misguided in my opinion yes, but no not Idiots.

    Again I don;t think the church is evil but do I think it's corrupt? yes. I also have a problem that the Pope acts as God amongst men and lives in a palace and gets people to kiss his ring. Who gives him the right to do that? It also seems to me that his loyal flock spends more time worshipping him than their so called God..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Winter View Post
    2. Everyone who's not an atheist is an idiot


    Pray explain how this isn't a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post


    Pray explain how this isn't a troll.
    Mistyped that is, should have been an isn't. Seems like Tibulus still got the point of it. Fixed

    @ Tibulus

    I see just the way you were coming seemed like you were arguing the opposite of the three points I put out. It seemed like you were saying that behavior like the popes was inevitable in any religion.
    Last edited by Lord Winter; 12-24-2008 at 02:46.
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