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    Yes, an irish infantry had to go for the Chaonions and I replaced the Celtic mini-elephants with the epeirote and koinon medium phalanx. Also made the mercenary phalanx retrainable as a permanent foreign legion. So when the woodshields become available I'll have the lewy phalanx for garrison duty and 7 professional phalanxes for the royal army. I just hate fielding the same unit twice even in phalanx heavy armies.

    Anyone know ancient greek? I named my new medium phalanxes:
    Thessalikon Pezhetairoi and Molosson Pezhetairoi
    Does that make any sense?

    On-Topic:
    I gave a few bonuses to the romans so they throw Epeiros much faster out of italy then I could throw them out of greece. So in my last Macedonia game they ended up in central Europe blocking the roman advance together with the cool mini-kingdoms EB added there with the last patches. Rome ended up first taking Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily then conquering Gaul and parts of Iberia before breaking through to central Europe. So if you want to restrict Rome to western Europe this would be an option.



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    Quote Originally Posted by team_kramnik View Post
    Yes, an irish infantry had to go for the Chaonions and I replaced the Celtic mini-elephants with the epeirote and koinon medium phalanx. Also made the mercenary phalanx retrainable as a permanent foreign legion. So when the woodshields become available I'll have the lewy phalanx for garrison duty and 7 professional phalanxes for the royal army. I just hate fielding the same unit twice even in phalanx heavy armies.
    I see, pretty interesting. I believe you deserve a balloon for this:

    Quote Originally Posted by team_kramnik View Post
    Anyone know ancient greek? I named my new medium phalanxes:
    Thessalikon Pezhetairoi and Molosson Pezhetairoi
    Does that make any sense?
    Actually, the term "Pezhetairoi" in Makedonia was strictly reserved to Makedonian citizens. This means that you should forget the 'Pezhetairoi' part and go for something like this:
    Phalangitai Thessalikoi - Thessalian Medium Phalanx
    Phalangitai Molossoi / Phalangitai Molossoi Epilektoi - Molossian Medium Phalanx / Picked Molossian Phalanx or Molossian Elite Phalanx

    Hope this helped.

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    Last edited by Maion Maroneios; 12-26-2008 at 23:46.
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    Great thanks, but I'm sorry I might have to change ancient greek as I don't have a soundfile for
    "Phalangitai Thessalikoi".
    Wiki gives regions of upper macedonia as units of Philip II phalanx: Orestis-Lyncestis, Elimaea and Tymphaea. That would be an alternative but then I'm lacking the needed skins. Well an ox for Thessaly isn't perfect either.
    I'll just see the use of Pezhetairoi as an attempt by the Macedonian king to show Northern Greece is becoming a unified nation. Also whereever large forces of professional phalangites would be recruited that would probably have required some social chances with the resulting class identifying with the Pezhetairoi of Macedonia.

    Quess I'll go with:

    Phalangitai Deuteroi: Lewy Phalanx found everywhere in the homeland regions.

    Pezhetairoi Makedonikoi: Phalanx unit mostly recruited from the traditional areas in upper Makedonia. Or what's left of them.

    Pezhetairoi Agrianikoi: Phalanx unit based on Paeonians imigrating to Macedon during the Galatian invasion. Again according to Wiki bull is one of the few surviving paeonian words. So I quess it's a better fit then Thessaly. And the Koinon Phalangitai is the best looking phalanx of the game.

    Pezhetairoi Molossoi: Phalanx unit founded by the Epeirote King and taken over by the Makedonian King.

    Misthophoroi Phalangitai: Freelancers or soldiers from states with cash problems having entered longterm contracts with the King of Macedon.

    Hysteroi Pezhetairoi: Veteran Phalanx based on Pezhetairoi Agrianikoi

    Chaeonion Agema: Veteran Phalanx based on Pezhetairoi Molossoi

    Argyraspides: Veteran Phalanx based on Pezhetairoi Makedonikoi

    anyway I can't claim to do very realistic modding:

    Last edited by team_kramnik; 12-27-2008 at 15:13.



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    omfg more cities O.o...
    howd you do that?>>.<< ah well...
    lemme guess, you took a provice out from somewhere in the baltics OR somewhere in the far east huh..
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    Alright, I've decided to take Serdike and move the remaining sons of Pyrrhos to Taras with some phalangites, Thraikians and Illyrians. I'll also give some hoplites, tarentine horse and brettians/lucanians to Taras to represent the peoples of Magna Graecia rallying to the banners of the sons of Pyrrhos. Thanks to all for suggestions, have a balloon each:

    And, team_krannik, I may steal your idea too!
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    Default Re: What to do with the Epeirotes?

    Quote Originally Posted by team_kramnik View Post
    I'll just see the use of Pezhetairoi as an attempt by the Macedonian king to show Northern Greece is becoming a unified nation. Also whereever large forces of professional phalangites would be recruited that would probably have required some social chances with the resulting class identifying with the Pezhetairoi of Macedonia.
    While this is unhistorical, it sounds interesting as an idea. Good luck with Hellenising the world, noble sympatriotes!

    Quote Originally Posted by strategos alexandros View Post
    Thanks to all for suggestions, have a balloon each
    Yeah, I has balloon!!! Thanks mate and good luck with your campaign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by strategos alexandros View Post
    Alright, I've decided to take Serdike and move the remaining sons of Pyrrhos to Taras with some phalangites, Thraikians and Illyrians. I'll also give some hoplites, tarentine horse and brettians/lucanians to Taras to represent the peoples of Magna Graecia rallying to the banners of the sons of Pyrrhos. Thanks to all for suggestions, have a balloon each:

    And, team_krannik, I may steal your idea too!
    Thank you for the balloon!

    Hooray! My first one!
    My Balloon! -Strategos Alexandros- "What to do with the Epeirotes?"

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    Sweet. I shall name him "Junior".

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    Quote Originally Posted by teh1337tim View Post
    omfg more cities O.o...
    howd you do that?>>.<< ah well...
    lemme guess, you took a provice out from somewhere in the baltics OR somewhere in the far east huh..
    Yes, you're right. I can't add anything real modders can't add. I first took out the Gaesatae because I thought I would need a model_slot for my "pezhetairoi" (sorry Maion) and obvisously the Gaesatae/Tindanotae model is not used by other units. Everything else came from Britain except the Averni as unfortunatly Britain only has 1 faction (no, I don't hate celts).

    Apart from the effect of buildings I haven't edited stuff before, so this work is all very crude.
    I just saw this thread ybout the Epeirotes while I was editing their army and couldn't resist.

    Maion, I made you tyrant of Megalopolis. Hope you'll find the time, you'll also get a balloon for your effort.

    Quote Originally Posted by strategos alexandros View Post
    Alright, I've decided to take Serdike and move the remaining sons of Pyrrhos to Taras with some phalangites, Thraikians and Illyrians. I'll also give some hoplites, tarentine horse and brettians/lucanians to Taras to represent the peoples of Magna Graecia rallying to the banners of the sons of Pyrrhos.
    Sounds good. Maybe also send an expeditionary force to help them. Keeps the Balance in Italy and the sons of Phyrros will owe you making them less able to stir up trouble in Epeiros.

    Quote Originally Posted by strategos alexandros View Post
    Thanks to all for suggestions, have a balloon each:

    And, team_krannik, I may steal your idea too!
    Thanks for the baloon!
    Regarding the units, just make sure you change the model. Otherwise you'll have e.g. naked men pretending to be phalangites and noone wants to see that.



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