LEN Teh Footy God's Footballodium

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[Ferret]

COME ON YOU DONS! Second place now, I'm fairly confident you'll be seeing us in the championship next season.

[naut]

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[InsaneApache]

I wonder how much longer Sparky has

Not only that but has he got the squad prepared for a relegation scrap? I would suggest not. I'd love to see that bunch of overpaid self-seeking onanists in the fizzy pop. Not that I'm biased at all, being a Mancunian.


You should have heard the Massives suicide squad on GMR yesterday, hilarious.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Brilliant Bordeaux Comeback Stuns Monaco

Ligue 1 said a tremendous farewell to 2008 as a thrilling match saw Bordeaux achieve the impossible by turning a three goal deficit into a victory in the most dramatic of circumstances at the expense of Monaco this evening.

AS MONACO 3-4 GIRONDINS DE BORDEAUX

1-0 13’ Juan-Pablo Pino
2-0 44’ Alexandre Licata
3-0 49’ Alexandre Licata
3-1 52’ Marouane Chamakh
3-2 67’ Alou Diarra
3-3 87’ Marouane Chamakh
3-4 89’ Fernando Cavenaghi

Bordeaux’s reward is that they will finish 2008 in second place in Ligue 1 and can claim to have the best record in France over the calendar year.

Life can be so grand sometimes.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Cristiano Ronaldo Is Over-Rated - Jose Mourinho

The infamous Inter coach has responded to Sir Alex Ferguson's comparisons between Ronaldo and all-time greats Pele and Diego Maradona, claiming that the United ace is over-rated...

“Ronaldo is a good player, but he is not the best in the world," 'The Special One' told Simona Ventura on RAIDUE show ‘Quelli Che il Calcio'. "He deserved the Ballon d’Or this year because his club side won the Champions League, the Premier League and he scored many goals."

Mourinho then stressed though that Ronaldo could not be placed in the same class category as Lionel Messi, Kaka and his own star Zlatan Ibrahimovic. “When I think of how a player should be, I think of Kaka, Ibrahimovic and Messi [not Ronaldo]," he explained.

Well, I for one, wouldn't argue the great football insight of the Special One.

[Jolt]

Unfortunatly, Ibrahimovic will be very far away from scoring the 42 goals that Ronaldo did last season. And Ibra IS a striker. Kaka isn't as influential as Ronaldo. His team is systematically bad placed in the championship and this season great qualification for the UEFA Cup is a proof of that. Messi simply couldn't compete with Ronaldo last season. Ronaldo was ten times better.

Mourinho doesn't like Ronaldo, and so I don't see his statement as much of a surprise.

[naut]

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[Afonso I of Portugal]

Well well, it seams Mourinho has already started with his famous "mind games", always trying to provoke and to put stress and pressure on the opponents...No doubt he's one of the clevers and best managers, but i don't like his style, the way he speaks with the press, about the opponents, his arrogance...etc. For me, insted special he's often the "stupid one" with "stupid games" and that's why i will be crossing my fingers for his defeat!

When he returns home for the Portuguese job maybe w'll change my point of view about him...

[Jolt]

P.S. - Reads King of Portugal's 2 comment on Mourinho then reads his location and laughs (Cookie plus balloon for any foreigner who can guess what I mean by this).
P.S. 2 - I'm from the north but do study in Lisboa.

[Louis VI the Fat]

P.S. - Reads King of Portugal's 2 comment on Mourinho then reads his location and laughs (Cookie plus balloon for any foreigner who can guess what I mean by this).
P.S. 2 - I'm from the north but do study in Lisboa.

Well Mourinho is from the north and won the Champions League with Porto and KoP is from jealous Lisbon. No lost love between them, I guess.

I've seen both Lisbon and Porto. And Braga, and Sintra, and several other places. Loved them all, but liked Lisbon the best. Simply lovely.





P.S. Who's singing now, Monaco Millionaires?

[Jolt]

Mourinho is from the South (Even Souther than Lisboa), but he coached Porto in the infamous "North vs South" war that Porto's president so tirelessly preaches. But still, your answer was correct at basis.

So... and since I cna't find the smiley for the cookie, you get this. :)

[Afonso I of Portugal]

Louis, Mourinho is from Setúbal a district capital 50 km south of Lisbon and Porto fans only love him because he was their manager and of his achievements in the UEFA cup and CL.

Historicaly, Porto is jealous about Lisbon because they are the second city in everything, except football in the past few decades...i know it happens the same in other countries...like Jolt said, Porto's president tryied to boost that "Porto vs Lisbon" "war"...but he has been judged for corruption at the highest level...oh! btw, when Mourinho leaves Porto he said the club was somekind of "Portuguese Sicily", that means FC Porto and his "sorroundings" is Mafia! :)

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[Jolt]

Historicaly, Porto is jealous about Lisbon because they are the second city in everything, except football in the past few decades

Problem is that Porto doesn't feel jealous and that there is an idea amongst Lisboa dwellers that Porto is a second-rate city (I was shocked when I saw in "Trio de Ataque", both Sporting and Benfica commentators saying that Porto was a provincial/local football club. I was like "...Wait, what? These guys have no idea of the size and supporters of Porto, thus no idea what they're talking about.") And honestly, I have no friggin clue how the hell that got into people's minds. Porto is better in some things and worse in others than Lisboa.

Pinto da Costa was stupid since it was he who created a North vs South which didn't exist, because most clubs in the First Division are actually from the North. Idiocy plagues everyone.

[Afonso I of Portugal]

Problem is that Porto doesn't feel jealous and that there is an idea amongst Lisboa dwellers that Porto is a second-rate city (I was shocked when I saw in "Trio de Ataque", both Sporting and Benfica commentators saying that Porto was a provincial/local football club. I was like "...Wait, what? These guys have no idea of the size and supporters of Porto, thus no idea what they're talking about.") And honestly, I have no friggin clue how the hell that got into people's minds. Porto is better in some things and worse in others than Lisboa.

Pinto da Costa was stupid since it was he who created a North vs South which didn't exist, because most clubs in the First Division are actually from the North. Idiocy plagues everyone.

In what country did you live Jolt? humm...you must be a young student and you don't remember FC Porto history before Pinto da Costa and the city itself before democracy!
Let me tell you a few things: FC Porto was in fact a provincial/local clube with very few titles, it was only after Pinto da Costa take charge that the club achieved is zenit, actually the club "Born" with him. Thats not a problem of the actual size of Porto supports...what are you talking about? are you saying that Benfica and Sporting have less supporters? come on...
Now concerning the city itself...Porto like all other Portuguese cities was always second-rated and its people feel jealous about Lisboa! Like you said it was a northern guy, Pinto da Costa - an arguido, charged with corruption, who invented the "North vs South" war, but i think what he meant was always "Lisboa - Porto" war! Porto is better in some things? yes, football and above all - Mafia!

[Jolt]

In what country did you live Jolt? humm...you must be a young student and you don't remember FC Porto history before Pinto da Costa and the city itself before democracy!
Let me tell you a few things: FC Porto was in fact a provincial/local clube with very few titles, it was only after Pinto da Costa take charge that the club achieved is zenit, actually the club "Born" with him. Thats not a problem of the actual size of Porto supports...what are you talking about? are you saying that Benfica and Sporting have less supporters? come on...
Now concerning the city itself...Porto like all other Portuguese cities was always second-rated and its people feel jealous about Lisboa! Like you said it was a northern guy, Pinto da Costa - an arguido, charged with corruption, who invented the "North vs South" war, but i think what he meant was always "Lisboa - Porto" war! Porto is better in some things? yes, football and above all - Mafia!

A club who won the first ever experimental and definite national championships (From wiki) is hardly born with a person. Even if it was a provincial club back then (Which while I can't argue, my father, who was born in 1943, after I asked him begs to differ), it has stopped being such a smaller club ever since Pinto da Costa rose to the Porto Chairmanship two decades ago, and do not forget that those illustrious persons said what they did only some months ago, which nowadays it is the most ridiculous thing to say. Are they still living in an age before democracy?
About the supporters, if you don't believe, than I should tell you that you don't know what goes on outside Lisbon. In the Lisboa area, most people are either from Sporting or Benfica, outside the Lisboa area, things go way, way more even in club afilliation distribution. In the North, most people (Including old men from before the democracy) are Porto fans.
About jealousy, did you ever even lived in Porto? I did, and never saw any hatred or jealousy towards Lisboa. As I said, it is a paranoia inside Lisboenses.
Bleh, about the things Porto is better than Lisboa, I can give you myriad things and reasons that Porto has much better than Lisboa, but this is about football and not about city competitions. You are living in Lisboa, so I can see how impartial you are. I don't live in neither Lisboa nor Porto, but I already lived (Study in Lisboa) (and frequently go to Porto) in both. So I have an outer view of things.

[naut]

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[InsaneApache]

I'd sympathise, I really would like to. However being a Trotters fan I'll be more brutal and realistic.

The problem with the so called 'massive clubs' is not just the players but the fans. For some reason they think that there's some sort of natual order of things. Complete bollox. Take your club for instance. Arsenal don't have a divine right to sit at the top of the table. Neither does the Salford Red Sox, the Red bindippers, Chelski or any other team come to that. No, you get to be at the top by being better than the others.

I support a team that stands no chance of ever winning the Premier League, do I bitch and moan about it? No. Why? Because I support them through thick and thin, and it's in the main thin. Do I bleat about no cups again this season? No. The pleasure is in seeing my team at the top table, competeing with, arguably, the best in Europe. My expectations are realistic.

Now if you really want something to moan about, how about having Megson as the best manager the club could get.

Personally I love to see how the mighty have fallen. You want to try going to Grimsby on a cold, wet November evening and getting tanked 3-0 before you can really gripe. Honestly mate, get over yourself.

[Afonso I of Portugal]

Are they still living in an age before democracy?

I didn't say that, you are confused so don't mixture things...

About the supporters, if you don't believe, than I should tell you that you don't know what goes on outside Lisbon. In the Lisboa area, most people are either from Sporting or Benfica, outside the Lisboa area, things go way, way more even in club afilliation distribution. In the North, most people (Including old men from before the democracy) are Porto fans.

Oh! realy? this is a joke right? maybe you drink too mutch porto wine is this christmas holidays and your head is very confused...is right the opposite Jolt! outside the Porto area most people are Benfica or Sporting supporters!

But thats fine, you have your point of view witch i can only respect but strongly disagree...

About jealousy, did you ever even lived in Porto? I did, and never saw any hatred or jealousy towards Lisboa. As I said, it is a paranoia inside Lisboenses.

No, thanks to God i never lived in Porto, is too grey and dirty. However, in my profession i met and worked with several Porto born "specimens" and all of them showed jealous and hatred behaviors towards Lisboa...even because of ridiculous matters, like the subway, the airport, the bridges, the parliament, etc, about everything btw. If there is any paranoia that comes from the Porto guys towards Lisboa, in fact they have a minority complex regarding Lisboa!

Bleh, about the things Porto is better than Lisboa, I can give you myriad things and reasons that Porto has much better than Lisboa

Oh realy? can you give me some examples? Oh, don't came with those old craps and myths that people in Porto work harder and so on...i work in economy and statistics so i can tell you Lisboa is on the lead in every levels...

You are living in Lisboa, so I can see how impartial you are. I don't live in neither Lisboa nor Porto, but I already lived (Study in Lisboa) (and frequently go to Porto) in both. So I have an outer view of things.

You are right, while i'm impartial you are partial! . But, like i said before thats fine to me, i respect your point of view but at the same time i can only disagree with it.

Have a nice holiday

[naut]

Personally I love to see how the mighty have fallen. You want to try going to Grimsby on a cold, wet November evening and getting tanked 3-0 before you can really gripe. Honestly mate, get over yourself.

[Jolt]

I didn't say that, you are confused so don't mixture things...

I know you didn't. I was saying that they impersonate the thing which gladly I do not see often which is the "We are inherently superior to everyone else" view in some Lisboetas, and their inability to see that Lisboa isn't the sole city in Portugal.

Oh! realy? this is a joke right? maybe you drink too mutch porto wine is this christmas holidays and your head is very confused...is right the opposite Jolt! outside the Porto area most people are Benfica or Sporting supporters!

No, they aren't there are pretty much as many Porto supporters as Benfica and Sporting, in Coimbra for instance.

No, thanks to God i never lived in Porto, is too grey and dirty. However, in my profession i met and worked with several Porto born "specimens" and all of them showed jealous and hatred behaviors towards Lisboa...even because of ridiculous matters, like the subway, the airport, the bridges, the parliament, etc, about everything btw. If there is any paranoia that comes from the Porto guys towards Lisboa, in fact they have a minority complex regarding Lisboa!

Dirty? That's funny. Subway? Porto has one. Airport? Porto has one. Brigdes? Bleh, Porto also has many. The parliament? Bleh, if their jealous about that then their dumb. Lisboa is the political capital. Dunno, never knew any Portuense who had any minority complex or even spoke about injustices Lisboa/Porto.

Oh realy? can you give me some examples? Oh, don't came with those old craps and myths that people in Porto work harder and so on...i work in economy and statistics so i can tell you Lisboa is on the lead in every levels...

About the dirty subject, that's basically the first thing I remember when comparing Lisboa and Porto. Porto is many many many times more clean than Lisboa, and I wandered around both cities so I'm really in a good position to compare both cities. Porto has an awesome City Park, which is the greatest symbol of good quality life. Porto has the Casa da Musica, an altar dedicated to all megalomania. Lisboa has gigantically more traffic. Porto has less air pollution. I could find many more.

You are right, while i'm impartial you are partial! . But, like i said before thats fine to me, i respect your point of view but at the same time i can only disagree with it.

I'm sure you are joking about impartiality, but in case you aren't:

No, thanks to God i never lived in Porto, is too grey and dirty.

That should clear the impartiality up.

Bottom line is, I don't see Lisboa has being any better than Porto. And in practical terms it isn't. Being a large city has its benefits and its worse sides.

Just like I could compare Porto or Lisboa with my own city (Espinho). Both lack a lot of things which they can't possibly ever have in my city.

[Afonso I of Portugal]

I know you didn't. I was saying that they impersonate the thing which gladly I do not see often which is the "We are inherently superior to everyone else" view in some Lisboetas, and their inability to see that Lisboa isn't the sole city in Portugal.

Well Jolt, i don't feel things that way and people in Lisboa don't think they are superior to everyone else, we have more important things to do, like working. What i don't like is that minority complex from Porto guys.

Dirty? That's funny. Subway? Porto has one. Airport? Porto has one. Brigdes? Bleh, Porto also has many. The parliament? Bleh, if their jealous about that then their dumb. Lisboa is the political capital. Dunno, never knew any Portuense who had any minority complex or even spoke about injustices Lisboa/Porto.
About the dirty subject, that's basically the first thing I remember when comparing Lisboa and Porto. Porto is many many many times more clean than Lisboa, and I wandered around both cities so I'm really in a good position to compare both cities. Porto has an awesome City Park, which is the greatest symbol of good quality life. Porto has the Casa da Musica, an altar dedicated to all megalomania. Lisboa has gigantically more traffic. Porto has less air pollution. I could find many more.

Your "bairrista" (parochial) spirit makes me laugh! it's funny when someone say "we are better than you, because of this, because of that and because i will find other things...and i say it!"
I'm sure Porto has good quality infrastructures, but in my point of view, Lisboa has better than all that you've mentioned, but thats ok, i can tell you i'm very glad to live here...like you said this is about football not city competition...

I'm sure you are joking about impartiality, but in case you aren't:
That should clear the impartiality up.

Sure it clears, i'm not joking about impartiality because like i said i do accept your point of view (although i don't agree with it), something you are totally unable to do - accept mine! thats why you are a partial person, you think you are right and only your point of view is accepted! You too have that minority complex and a closed mind!

[Jolt]

Closing this discussion:

Well Jolt, i don't feel things that way and people in Lisboa don't think they are superior to everyone else, we have more important things to do, like working. What i don't like is that minority complex from Porto guys.

Like I said, never seen anyone in Porto with a minority complex, they have more important things to do, like working. Fortunatly, in Porto we call don't call people from Lisboa specimens, as if they were of an inferior kind. Usually, their well seen as...What is it? Oh yeah, Portuguese.

Your "bairrista" (parochial) spirit makes me laugh! it's funny when someone say "we are better than you, because of this, because of that and because i will find other things...and i say it!"
I'm sure Porto has good quality infrastructures, but in my point of view, Lisboa has better than all that you've mentioned, but thats ok, i can tell you i'm very glad to live here...like you said this is about football not city competition...

I didn't want to number things Porto has that Lisboa doesn't, but at your insistency I gave some hints. I never said Porto was better than Lisboa. :) Problem is, I never said the contrary as well. I'm glad that your glad with our capital, and honestly so am I. It's as beautiful as Porto, and Madrid pales in comparison with both of them. In football, that's different.

Sure it clears, i'm not joking about impartiality because like i said i do accept your point of view (although i don't agree with it), something you are totally unable to do - accept mine! thats why you are a partial person, you think you are right and only your point of view is accepted! You too have that minority complex and a closed mind!

I accept your point of view. I just think it is totally unfounded and therefore dumb. I fail to see how I do have a minority complex, much less a close mind. I have visited both cities, and have broadly delined you that both are good and bad on its own ways. It is what one might call open mindedness. You however, insist that Lisboa is a better place when compared with Porto without giving any evidence or having experienced what is living in Porto and its environment and persist saying the specimens suffer from minority complex due to some subjective jealousy without any objective evidence (Other than your work colleagues, which surely are not like the people I know from Porto). That is what I call close mindedness.

I am first and foremost Portuguese (I love my country, Porto and Lisboa, Brangança and Tavira, any and all Portuguese cities are better than foreign cities to me), and afterwards European (I'll much rapidly defend General European interests than Lusophone interests - Brazil, for instance)
You are firstly Lisboense and then Portuguese it seems.

Anyways, ending this, I have already seen you love Lisboa and that Porto (as well as any other city in Portugal) is inherently inferior to the capital and will never be able to reach its standards in anything anywhere at any time. Done.



Coming back to football, Vukcevic isn't leaving Sporting! So long Red Star! I still hope Wenger comes swooping Miguel Veloso away.

[Afonso I of Portugal]

Closing this discussion:
Like I said, never seen anyone in Porto with a minority complex, they have more important things to do, like working. Fortunatly, in Porto we call don't call people from Lisboa specimens, as if they were of an inferior kind. Usually, their well seen as...What is it? Oh yeah, Portuguese.

Agreed, let's close this issue. Why do you said "we call don't call..." why "we"? are you from Porto after all? you said you were from Espinho or are you just confused again?
People from Porto don't call specimens to the people of Lisboa? youre right, the word is "Moors"! or "We just want to see Lisbon burning...". That's why people who say this to others have minority complexes - they need to attack others to hide their own defaults! Done!

I didn't want to number things Porto has that Lisboa doesn't, but at your insistency I gave some hints. I never said Porto was better than Lisboa. :) Problem is, I never said the contrary as well. I'm glad that your glad with our capital, and honestly so am I. It's as beautiful as Porto, and Madrid pales in comparison with both of them. In football, that's different.

What things are those that Porto has and Lisboa don't Jolt?
Done!

I accept your point of view. I just think it is totally unfounded and therefore dumb. I fail to see how I do have a minority complex, much less a close mind.

No, in fact you don't accept my point of view, unfounded? Dumb? if you fail to see how do you have a minority complex and a close mind thats your problem, sorry but i can't help you on that! Done!

I have visited both cities, and have broadly delined you that both are good and bad on its own ways. It is what one might call open mindedness. You however, insist that Lisboa is a better place when compared with Porto without giving any evidence or having experienced what is living in Porto and its environment and persist saying the specimens suffer from minority complex due to some subjective jealousy without any objective evidence (Other than your work colleagues, which surely are not like the people I know from Porto). That is what I call close mindedness.

Subjective jealousy without any objective evidence??? Jolt, i never lived in Porto (just working meetings) but i worked in several other cities, like Santarém, Évora, Faro, Leiria, Coimbra and every people i met from Porto in different companies, projects, teams, working groups, etc almost all of them showed that minority complexes, always criticizing everything about Lisboa. Sure we have different oppinions about this, while you have the experience of school and college environments, i have the company one, and i can tell you that working relations are quite different from those at school...

You are firstly Lisboense and then Portuguese it seems.

Thats Lisbonense, not Lisboense but no, i consider myself Portuguese at first and then European.

Anyways, ending this, I have already seen you love Lisboa and that Porto (as well as any other city in Portugal) is inherently inferior to the capital and will never be able to reach its standards in anything anywhere at any time. Done.

Agreed, let's finish this discussion because your final statement is a must, an himn to the minority complex and close mind. I never said that other cities in Portugal will never be able to reach Lisbon standards in anything anywhere at any time. Thats your minority complexes talking again...like i said before i can't help you...

[Jolt]

Agreed, let's close this issue. Why do you said "we call don't call..." why "we"? are you from Porto after all? you said you were from Espinho or are you just confused again?
People from Porto don't call specimens to the people of Lisboa? youre right, the word is "Moors"! or "We just want to see Lisbon burning...". That's why people who say this to others have minority complexes - they need to attack others to hide their own defaults! Done!

Whilst I lived in Porto equals we. Me and the people I met in Porto. I'm more Portuense than Lisbonense tbh. Going back the football route "We just want to see Lisbon burning..."? I never heard that phrase used outside the football context. Now I can see that you're the one with the inferior complex. Don't worry, I'm from your club (apparently). I don't mind.

Done!

There we go.

No, in fact you don't accept my point of view, unfounded? Dumb? if you fail to see how do you have a minority complex and a close mind thats your problem, sorry but i can't help you on that! Done!

Yeap, your broad ways of defining close mindedness and minority complex cannot unfortunately be adressed. Done.

Subjective jealousy without any objective evidence??? Jolt, i never lived in Porto (just working meetings) but i worked in several other cities, like Santarém, Évora, Faro, Leiria, Coimbra and every people i met from Porto in different companies, projects, teams, working groups, etc almost all of them showed that minority complexes, always criticizing everything about Lisboa. Sure we have different oppinions about this, while you have the experience of school and college environments, i have the company one, and i can tell you that working relations are quite different from those at school...

By the looks on how you define my close mindedness and minority complexity, I have no surprises whatsoever your colleagues also have minority complexes et al.

Agreed, let's finish this discussion because your final statement is a must, an himn to the minority complex and close mind. I never said that other cities in Portugal will never be able to reach Lisbon standards in anything anywhere at any time. Thats your minority complexes talking again...like i said before i can't help you...

It's called implicit statements. By saying Porto is dirty, and that Lisboa has everything Porto has, and since Porto is the "second city" of Portugal, you're making an implicit statement that no city can get near Lisboa. And you're right the minority complexity again. Always there to attack Lisboa. Once again, the problem lies with the definition of the said complex. Heh. Done.

[Afonso I of Portugal]

Well done Jolt! but those "implicit statements" are only in your head...

Now let's go back to football...(just thinking that all this discussion began because of my post about Mourinho's behavior, and your "implicit statement"? thats because i'm from Lisboa that i've posted my point of view about him, well thats what i think about him and thats nothing to do with the fact that i'm from Lisboa).

[naut]

Forest Green Rovers 3-4 Derby County

What cup tie, 7 goals, 30 shots, a red card and a last minute winner. Well played Forest Green, unlucky to lose, played out of their skin and came so close to an upset.

[Ronin]

Cristiano Ronaldo Is Over-Rated - Jose Mourinho

The infamous Inter coach has responded to Sir Alex Ferguson's comparisons between Ronaldo and all-time greats Pele and Diego Maradona, claiming that the United ace is over-rated...

Well, I for one, wouldn't argue the great football insight of the Special One.

Well...I´ll agree that Ronaldo is overrated.....he might be the best player in the world someday...but not right now...right now that spot belongs to Messi in my opinion.

But this is funny coming from Mourinho.....who is also insanely overrated himself

[Jolt]

http://www1.uefa.com/fanzone/TeamOfTheYear/index.html

What is your Team of the Year?

Mine is right here:
GK: Casillas (Capt.)
DR: Bosingwa, DC: R. Carvalho, DC: Pepe, DL: Lahm
RM: C. Ronaldo, MC: Xavi, AM: Arshavin (Where the hell is Kaka? :O), LM: Ribery
ST: Messi & Villa
Coach: Dick Advocaat

Only guy who doesn't deserve being in the team is Pepe, but he is Portuguese. Were he not, I'd put Carvalho, who is the best defender in the world, alongside Terry.