Ideas and suggestions

[SwissBarbar]

In the future, when we control the war against the Ptolemys, I'd like to see an Invasion into Hellas, recapturing the Greek territorys who belong to us by right.

Idea 1: We could RP the Makedonian King who visits the Council and behaves not very friendly. We assassinate him and a war is started.

Idea 2: Found a Client Kingdom in the Norh or in the South or more than one, no borderline with our Arche (for now). RP those Kings in a special way. They manage their cities as Kings **, pay taxes to us (and they always want to have low taxes, and we want them to have high taxes....). They can have own Armies (max. X Units we allow).
When the Arche Seleukeia aproaches their Territory, they could fear to lose their Status (which could be the case, if the Basileus descides so) and even could declare themselves independent, what would cause a "Civil War", in which the AS installes another form of Governemet OR they defeat us *GGG*. The point is, that they could raise an army themselves, they can create units with the money their cities earn from Taxes each turn (f. example they earn 1000 mnai in their city / all their cities, then they could recruit units woth 1000 mnai per turn). ** This is also the way the can build Buildings... only with their own money. Or they can take a credit from the basileus, but then have to do sth. for him, whatever he wishes...

[YouHaveRecieved]

Once the Arche has settled and controls it's backdoors I would like to see you give some terrortories back to the saptrapies in real life. So Baktria could make war and give them a few settlement and so on.

[The Celtic Viking]

Idea 1: We could RP the Makedonian King who visits the Council and behaves not very friendly. We assassinate him and a war is started.

I don't think that works out. I have been roleplaying Sarpedon as being friendly towards the Makedonians, aiding them personally against the KH and Epeirotes even before we ourselves went to war against the latter. I don't think their king would come to us now when I have come to the throne, and we're actively fighting their enemies as well, and behave in an unfriendly way that would warrant an assassination.

Idea 2: Found a Client Kingdom in the Norh or in the South or more than one, no borderline with our Arche (for now). RP those Kings in a special way. They manage their cities as Kings **, pay taxes to us (and they always want to have low taxes, and we want them to have high taxes....). They can have own Armies (max. X Units we allow).

So, with the exception of the "no borderline" part, they would be just like satraps so far, right?

When the Arche Seleukeia aproaches their Territory, they could fear to lose their Status (which could be the case, if the Basileus descides so) and even could declare themselves independent, what would cause a "Civil War", in which the AS installes another form of Governemet OR they defeat us *GGG*.

Still pretty much like satraps.

The point is, that they could raise an army themselves, they can create units with the money their cities earn from Taxes each turn (f. example they earn 1000 mnai in their city / all their cities, then they could recruit units woth 1000 mnai per turn).

But they also need to pay taxes to us, meaning they can't use their whole income. Since we would be the ones setting the taxes, it would effectively still be like satraps.

** This is also the way the can build Buildings... only with their own money. Or they can take a credit from the basileus, but then have to do sth. for him, whatever he wishes...

There's a few problems with this. The first thing is the whole hassle of keeping score of how much they have in their settlements. We would have to keep score every turn how much they make, then subtract the tribute and then their army. Then we will have to add the result from what we have calculated are currently in their coffers. There is only so many units a couple of settlements can support without having to pay a tribute - with it it would be even less, and a regular satrap would stand a better chance in a civil war.

[SwissBarbar]

Idea 3: What about an expidition (with spies) to the Islands Rhodos, Cyprus, Sicily and "check" if they're economically valuable. And if they are considered to be of value, we found/conquer a colony there (which will cause trouble, war and stuff, but of course....they're all jalous)

I find it very intersting, not to just expand one region after another, but to found centres of trade all over the world (and of course defend them against foreign intrudors). This is not only a challenge, but also cool to Roleplay since we would not only have Strategoi but also Client Kings, Tyrants, Governors, Stewards or whatever, with different characters, different responsibilities and desires.

Edit:
@ TCV: But as a Satrap I do not have the right to build buildings of my own, i just can ask if I may build this and that...??
Generally you're right, but my point is not at first place to have something that is extremely different to a Satrap, its that we do not have a borderline to those Satrapies and it makes it more interesting if not everyone is a Satrap but also have other "Names" (even if they do nearly the same" *G*

[GMaximus]

I don't think that works out. I have been roleplaying Sarpedon as being friendly towards the Makedonians, aiding them personally against the KH and Epeirotes even before we ourselves went to war against the latter. I don't think their king would come to us now when I have come to the throne, and we're actively fighting their enemies as well, and behave in an unfriendly way that would warrant an assassination.

Personally I'd like doing something like that very much, as he doesn't have to blatantly go 'Blergh, you guys are lame' - he could just be arrogant or understandably despise the Koinon Hellenon and the southern Hellenes in general, which would lead to some strong quarrel with Mikithion or any other Strategoi that hail from Hellas (don't really know if we have any more southerners than Mikithion), and then the death of the King. I'd be willing to sacrifice Mikithion and have him executed for that if neccessary, or additionally he could just be banished to the far east of the Arche (where he's going anyway), because that would be some fun RPing. Although the King doesn't neccessarily have to die, as methinks he could be offended or just injured, too.

[The Celtic Viking]

TCV: But as a Satrap I do not have the right to build buildings of my own, i just can ask if I may build this and that...??

True enough, but with Clients, we could demand so much tribute that you couldn't afford to build anything anyway. Satraps are actually more privileged, since their armies, buildings and recruitment goes on the Arche's tab and can thus do things that such clients as you proposed couldn't, because they would have little to no money.

Generally you're right, but my point is not at first place to have something that is extremely different to a Satrap, its that we do not have a borderline to those Satrapies and it makes it more interesting if not everyone is a Satrap but also have other "Names" (even if they do nearly the same" *G*

If it's a satrapy, call it a satrapy.

Look, I would want something like that as well, where satraps have their own coffers and can use them for themselves, I really do. I just don't see it as realistic within the confines of the game.

The only way I could think of would be if we could come up with a reasonable way to make up how much a satrapy would gain each turn, and then use the add_money cheat to do that. I have tried coming up with a good system for that, but...

Personally I'd like doing something like that very much, as he doesn't have to blatantly go 'Blergh, you guys are lame' - he could just be arrogant or understandably despise the Koinon Hellenon and the southern Hellenes in general, which would lead to some strong quarrel with Mikithion or any other Strategoi that hail from Hellas (don't really know if we have any more southerners than Mikithion), and then the death of the King. I'd be willing to sacrifice Mikithion and have him executed for that if neccessary, or additionally he could just be banished to the far east of the Arche (where he's going anyway), because that would be some fun RPing. Although the King doesn't neccessarily have to die, as methinks he could be offended or just injured, too.

Just badmouthing would not be enough. If Mikithion (or anyone else) would do that in the Council, Sarpedon would immediately ban him from the Council and punish him in some other way, and with the ill-needed aid we're giving them, it's extremely unlikely he wouldn't forgive.

As for assaulting physically, at worst to his death - how would you do that? In the middle of the Council floor? There are guards, other strategoi and Sarpedon close by who would stop anyone walking up to him with the intent to harm. It could only lead to bad IC consequences for the one making the attempt.

[SwissBarbar]

mhyeah, you're right, unfortunately it really would be too complicated, i see that problem. Was just an spontanious idea, maybe we find something else which makes it all even more interesting

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@SwissBarbar - The idea is good and I have thought about it myself but just like TCV here I also tried to find a good system for that but I couldn't. That's why I left the idea of each satrapies own budget. It can be done but is it worth all the trouble??

[GMaximus]

Just badmouthing would not be enough. If Mikithion (or anyone else) would do that in the Council, Sarpedon would immediately ban him from the Council and punish him in some other way, and with the ill-needed aid we're giving them, it's extremely unlikely he wouldn't forgive.

As for assaulting physically, at worst to his death - how would you do that? In the middle of the Council floor? There are guards, other strategoi and Sarpedon close by who would stop anyone walking up to him with the intent to harm. It could only lead to bad IC consequences for the one making the attempt.

Well, if it was a particularly arrogant king... Though I'm just making up excuses now, so yeah, insults wouldn't work.

As for the assault, of course not in the middle of the Council. The unnamed king wouldn't live there, so there'd be a chance to challenge him to personal combat sooner or later without any other Strategoi and, if this was the arrogant southern Hellene hating king he wouldn't likely pass up the opportunity. At worst Mikithion could ambush him outside the city with his bodyguard, because we must remember that following my IC he's more of a general for hire than a devouted Strategos, and all his bodyguards are kinsmen from Athenai. I do understand it'd be the end of Mikithion as a Strategos anyway, but I'd be willing to sacrifice him. He's not like the character from completely text-based RPs that are my flesh and blood, so to speak, and even though I like him I don't realy feel as bad about having him die/disappear than the guys I thought up myself.

Although if you don't want to do it, I won't insist particularly.

[SwissBarbar]

yes, lets find some other ideas. what about having a war (started by the other faction), and we don't take their land, but just sack their capital citiy to revenge, and offer them peace after that. An expedition.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

After I read TVS rules I saw this:

7. Teleportation

The “move_character” console command can and will be used when needed for character movement. When a character has to go to a specific city as soon as possible (without an army), but movement points do not suffice, he will be teleported by Maion Maroneios, Emperor of Graal, or anyone else they chose. This is mainly to represent the fact that moving from one point of Hellas to the other (for example), would take much less than even 1 turn (3 months), especially for one persononly.

Teleportations will only occur for very specific reasons and will only be done by the aforementioned persons and none other by any means.

I would propose that we could use this in our game as well. It's a pain moving from Mikra Asia to India because it would take too long. So, we could use this.

I would suggest that if a character is inside a city and haven't moved during that turn then he can be teleported to another city held by us. The penalty would be that he can not move the next turn either. I still think that 2 turns where you can not move your avatar is a good price if you can go from Ipsos to Hekatompylos without risking an attack from brigands or hostile AI factions.

[MerlinusCDXX]

I'm good with that. Would we have to propose it at a council and all that, or can it just be handled with a quick informal poll, since it isn't an in-character thing?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'm good with that. Would we have to propose it at a council and all that, or can it just be handled with a quick informal poll, since it isn't an in-character thing?

This should be proposed during Council Session but since there are so few of us here at the moment and Council Session just ended(and I did not receive any opinions concerning this Rule change then) then I will just open a poll with this.