Some joyous tidings from Israel

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The WoT is a sham, its primary purpose is to secure oil for the US & Co. Democracy and the fight against terrorists are in the back seats, one need only look at the current state of Afghanistan and the US's true reasons for invading.

Is there even a decent oil supply in Afghanistan?

[Watchman]

Is there even a decent oil supply in Afghanistan?

*cough* Pipelines. Wasn't some American firm having talks regarding one with the Taliban once before the latter called it quits ?

Is genital mutilation radical to you?

Er - you do know it's a local folk tradition in certain parts of Africa that has zilch to do with the practicioners' confessional affiliations, right ? The local Christians and whatnots there practice it too AFAIK...

[rasoforos]

I think talking about the USA is a bit off topic...

This isnt about the WoT...

[Lorenzo_H]

List of Hamas suicide attacks.

Another reason to not support Hamas.

[Tribesman]

Another reason to not support Hamas.

Click on the link at the bottom of your link and see America and Israels favourite "moderates" list of suicide attacks .
Funny isn't it , Hamas who cannot be supported because they are crazy stopped the suicide attacks in 2005 while Fatah who lost an election but tried to sieze power can be supported and armed even though in 2008 they still did the suicide thing .

[Hax]

EDIT: Removed hotlinked picture. Please note, forum rules forbid the posting of pictures of dead bodies. BG

Need I say more?

How on earth do you want to justify the murder of a child?

[rory_20_uk]

Let me get this straight:

Airstrikes OK
Artillery OK
Rockets TERRORIST!
Suicide bombs - eeeeevil!!!



It's as though if you want to indiscriminately kill people there are things one just doesn't do... unsurprisingly the "allowed" methods are high tech and are not available to Hamas. Perhaps if we gave them some howitzers and shells suddenly it'd be a proper fight.

Why is killing a child worse than killing an adult? Most adults just want to live a relatively quiet life, raise kids etc etc. Killing a mother or father will shatter just as many lives.

[Lorenzo_H]

Click on the link at the bottom of your link and see America and Israels favourite "moderates" list of suicide attacks .
Funny isn't it , Hamas who cannot be supported because they are crazy stopped the suicide attacks in 2005 while Fatah who lost an election but tried to sieze power can be supported and armed even though in 2008 they still did the suicide thing .

I did not understand, do you think the sources aren't valid?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Er - you do know it's a local folk tradition in certain parts of Africa that has zilch to do with the practicioners' confessional affiliations, right ? The local Christians and whatnots there practice it too AFAIK...

Yes, I do know that, I do not think it is practiced by the majority of Muslims, and is indeed condemned by many Arabian Islamic scholars. I do think it is interesting that that is the only one you decided to debate.

[Watchman]

Yes, I do know that, I do not think it is practiced by the majority of Muslims, and is indeed condemned by many Arabian Islamic scholars. I do think it is interesting that that is the only one you decided to debate.

Well, it seemed there wasn't that much grounds for it given that Europeans were doing the rest of the list not all that long ago... until they eventually tired of murdering each other (and the occasional outsider) over confessional issues. (Northern Ireland being a conditional anomaly.) "All but the most fanatical had begun to realize grapeshot might not actually be a good theological argument", as it were.

You know, Enlightenment and all that junk. Sidelining religion etc., the fun stuff some colonial cranks keep claiming will be the downfall of our civilisation and so on.

I figured that was obvious and universal knowledge, and hence needed no reiterating...
(Also, I had to leave for work.)

The Muslims just haven't yet gone through the same process. My personal bet is that the current wave of hardcore revivalism - limited to fringe diehards - is a clear sign that said process of secularisation is at work, as such extremist reactionarism was much in evidence at the early stages of the European equivalent.
Sure hope the poor buggers don't need to have to go through similar drawn-out spates of religiously inspired organised mass violence though...

[Fragony]

The Muslims just haven't yet gone through the same process.

I can think of better pets, why not take a cat