CVG preview & impressions

[gollum]

A toast to Tomisama for being such a wonderful fellow and a keystone for the TW mp community all these years - not for the sales, not for the dough, not for the booze, not for the babes or the reviews - but for the sheer hell of it.

Companionship, honour and dedication = Tomisama.



!it burnsus!

[Sir Beane]

A toast to Tomisama for being such a wonderful fellow and a keystone for the TW mp community all these years - not for the sales, not for the dough, not for the booze, not for the babes or the reviews - but for the sheer hell of it.

Companionship, honour and dedication = Tomisama.



!it burnsus!

Cheers! To Tomisama!

[SpencerH]

One of the best ways of needling the enemy is to use a new unit called the Gentleman. This loveable rogue can be sent into enemy territory to duel opposition commanders or assassinate dignitaries, allowing high rankers to be eliminated without the need for battlefield confrontation. Wipe out a number of a faction's generals and they'll declare war. The Gentleman also has several other key skills. Ensconce him in an enemy's university and he'll steal their research, or if he's placed in one of yours, speed your discovery of new technologies.

I was never happy with the power of assassins in previous games and 'the gentlemen' looks even worse. Can anyone name a high ranking general who was killed in a duel by a foreigner? How about one who was assassinated while with his army? Spies are fine, assassins are bogus (especially) in this time period.

[Sol Invictus]

I was never happy with the power of assassins in previous games and 'the gentlemen' looks even worse. Can anyone name a high ranking general who was killed in a duel by a foreigner? How about one who was assassinated while with his army? Spies are fine, assassins are bogus (especially) in this time period.

I completely agree. The idea that an enemy agent can walk into a General's tent in the middle of the General's army and call him out in a duel is a bit silly. I would prefer that the entire duel mechanic be eliminated and just allow the Gentleman to influence Tech progression and some Spying on the side.

[Sir Beane]

I completely agree. The idea that an enemy agent can walk into a General's tent in the middle of the General's army and call him out in a duel is a bit silly. I would prefer that the entire duel mechanic be eliminated and just allow the Gentleman to influence Tech progression and some Spying on the side.

I would also prefer that the gentleman stuck to influencing tech progression and industrial espionage. If I'm going to kill an enemy general, I'll do it honorably with an army.

I don't mind spies and espionage. But I would prefer a more fleshed out spying mechanic thats actually useful, and dispense with the assasination part all together.

[Fisherking]

Before everyone is in an uproar can we just see how it works in the game first.

Duels were fought! There are a lot of agents besides Generals. For all we know you can refuse a challenge.

We know Rakes, Gentlemen, and Generals. We don’t know about Admirals, Ministers, and so forth.

This reminds me of people complaining that some one bribed their General in Rome. They didn’t like it but it was a fact of life. Still they squealed enough that the costs became prohibitive and it carried on into M2TW. Nobles changed sides for money or other considerations but we took it out of the games.

Let’s just see what we get. At least we don’t need to worry about inquisitors this time out.

Think of the agents in sort of a short hand form of conspiracies to have someone discredited or even hanged for some made up charge, that happened!

Aaron Burr had three or more duels while he was in one office or another and ended up killing Alexander Hamilton. Decatur fought duels too. I am sure there are more examples. I am just not going to look them up.

As for assassinations, they took place, in this time and before. After the flight of the Earls Red Hugh O’Donnell died under misters circumstances, as did a number of others. It wasn’t just and English thing now was it?

[Sir Beane]

I'm not so much complaning as just stating my preferences. I'd rather gentleman didn't duel, but if they do it's nothing big really. I doubt it will hinder my enjoyment of the game.

Personally my wish is not that espionage is removed, simply that it is made more complex and more interesting. I want to carefully contrsuct networks of spies and slowly surround my enemies with men loyal to myself.

Also I am extremely pleased Inquisitors are't in this one. Burn my King will you? Then both his sons? Stupid inquisition.