Medieval 2:Total War Online Game [Concluded]

[Jolt]

I'd limit the alliances to one per faction. Otherwise we'll have an alliance of ten, taking ten full points from an unallied faction.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

The principality accepts the offer of alliance from France.


now were getting into WWI style alliances

[Tiberius of the Drake]

did u take over running the game, Jolt?

**No malice or sarcasm intended

[Yoyoma1910]

I'd limit the alliances to one per faction. Otherwise we'll have an alliance of ten, taking ten full points from an unallied faction.

I'm sorry, but when you decided to have two on one, you set the precedence for this. Now the consequences must be lived with. There is no rule against multinational alliances.

[White_eyes:D]

True....we will need to break the alliance's eventually anyway.....
Wales accepts Alliance with France

[Jolt]

I'm sorry, but when you decided to have two on one, you set the precedence for this. Now the consequences must be lived with. There is no rule against multinational alliances.

I proposed that rule to avoid the creation of points, which will innevitably lead to a gigantic increase in the length of the game. Now as there are no rules about it, I could quickly "ask" to ally Portugal as every faction minus one (Say France), have glyphz accept it as Portugal and attack France and destroy France in three posts. I'm only trying to have a fair game, that's why I didn't ask Scotland for a alliance (As I was planning to do before the Mayans alliance proposal came) it's advantegous enough to take two points from an unallied faction, how much more would it be three points.

And imagining I attack a three faction alliance with a two faction alliance, how are the points going to be divided? 1.5? Having a limit on faction alliances of one evens up the game while allowing for alliances to continue existing (Not a rule I created). I don't mind allowing unlimited alliances, but what I would do would be immediatly propose alliance to Portugal with all factions except one, which would innevitably be attacked and destroyed. But that doesn't make for a fair or fun game.

[Beefy187]

As my ex ally are allied with my sworn enemy, I shall stop attacking them unless I am attacked again


+1 Turkey
-1 Byzantium

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 10
Wales - 12
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Jolt]

did u take over running the game, Jolt?

**No malice or sarcasm intended

Since I noticed alliances were a bit of a flawed system, I'm trying to ammend that. My rules can really be ignored. YLC has the final say on this. It's his game (I think). Just trying to help.

EDIT: Anyways, new day, new enemy.

+1 Portugal/Mayans
-2 Moors

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 17
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 10
Wales - 12
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 8
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 16
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[ULC]

I am sorry for the new mechanic introduced into the game, I even had other mechanics I was going to include (theaters of combat for instance) but I really wanted to see how alliances worked first. I think I should have run a test game first

But in all honesty, Alliances were only ever pictured as between two factions and only two factions, think of what would happen if we had 4 factions. X is allied to Y, Y is allied to Z, Z is allied to W, and W is allied to X. If X subtracts from A, then X, Y, and W go up. And since Z went up, W goes up, which means X and Y go up, which means Z goes up, which means X goes up, and on and on - creating a infinite point loop.

In short, the current format of the Alliance system can't handle more then one partner with one more partner. Think of it as marriage . This does not exclude several Alliances working together or a loner working with an Alliance.

As such, only Frances first applicable alliance counts. So...

Current Alliances
HRE/Norway - Sigurd and YLC
Mayans/Portugal - Ares and Glyphz
Papal States/Antioch - Yoyoma and Tiberius
France/Wales - Yoyoma and White Eyes

And

HRE/Norway +1
English -1

England -
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 14
Venice - 10
Portugal - 17
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 10
Wales - 12
Denmark - 9
Norway - 14
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 8
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 16
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[glyphz]

Portugal/Mayans +1
Moors -2

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France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 14
Venice - 10
Portugal - 18
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 10
Wales - 12
Denmark - 9
Norway - 14
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 6
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 17
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

err.. YLC, your last post added one each for the alliance (2), but subtracted only (1) point, England. I think you get to take one point away from another faction of your choice

[White_eyes:D]

France Knights land with Welsh Longbow men in Ireland and strike a major blow against the Irish....
France/Wales +1
Ireland -2


France - 12
Holy Roman Empire - 14
Venice - 10
Portugal - 18
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 8
Wales - 13
Denmark - 9
Norway - 14
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 6
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 17
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

Current Alliances
HRE/Norway - Sigurd and YLC
Mayans/Portugal - Ares and Glyphz
Papal States/Antioch - Yoyoma and Tiberius
France/Wales - Yoyoma and White Eyes

[Veho Nex]

Scottish expiditionary forces land in Sicily
Scotland +1
Sicily -1

France - 12
Holy Roman Empire - 14
Venice - 10
Portugal - 18
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 13
Denmark - 9
Norway - 14
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 6
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 17
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Sigurd]

The holy see may have moved but his former home shall be pillaged.

HRE/Norway +1
Papal States -2


France - 12
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 18
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 13
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 2
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 6
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 17
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10
----------------------------
Current Alliances
HRE/Norway - Sigurd and YLC
Mayans/Portugal - Ares and Glyphz
Papal States/Antioch - Yoyoma and Tiberius
France/Wales - Yoyoma and White Eyes

[Tiberius of the Drake]

Papacy/Antioch +1
Turks -2

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 3
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 9
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

Current Alliances
HRE/Norway - Sigurd and YLC
Mayans/Portugal - Ares and Glyphz
Papal States/Antioch - Yoyoma and Tiberius
France/Wales - Yoyoma and White Eyes
__________________

[Sigurd]

I seem to have made a mistake.
Attacking the Papal states I didn't realise that it was allied with Antioch.

The rules state: a decrease in Faction Y will result in a decrease in Faction X
Therefore the current tally should be: (Tiberius forgot to add a point to Antioch in his last post)

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 9
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10
---------------------------------
Current Alliances
HRE/Norway - Sigurd and YLC
Mayans/Portugal - Ares and Glyphz
Papal States/Antioch - Yoyoma and Tiberius
France/Wales - Yoyoma and White Eyes

[Thermal]

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 17
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 8
Turks - 9
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 16
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[ULC]

France - 12
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 19
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 13
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 4
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 18
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

Fixed

[Yoyoma1910]

Alright. I'll stop backseat driving.


France/Wales make an expedition to Egypt.




France - 13
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 19
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 14
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 4
Turks - 11
Egypt -8
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 18
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[shlin28]

Mongols +1
Timurids -1

France - 13
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 19
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 14
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 4
Turks - 11
Egypt -8
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 18
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Beefy187]

I will not fight back against Antioch as they are allied to the papal state

I shall join France and its friends in the conquest of Egypt

+1 Turkey
-1 Egypt

France - 13
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 19
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 14
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 4
Turks - 12
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 18
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Jolt]

+1 Portugal/Mayans
-2 Moors

France - 13
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 20
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 14
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 2
Turks - 12
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 19
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[glyphz]

+1 Portugal/Mayans
-2 Moors

France - 13
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 17
Ireland - 8
Wales - 14
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 9
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors -
Turks - 12
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10
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"My Lords! We have dealt a crushing victory!
Iberia is ours! The Reconquista, a success!
Credit also goes to our allies, the Mayans!"

[Jolt]

Indeed! "Imperator totius Hispaniae", King of Portugal, Algarves, Galiza (Galicia), Leão (León), Asturias, Navarra, Castela (Castille), Aragão (Aragon), Valencia, Murcia, Granada, Andaluzia, Mauritania, Líbia and Africa! Duke of Barcelona, Beja, Badajoz, Toledo, Córdoba, Mallorca, Tanger (Tangiers), Fez, Marrocos (Morroco), Argelia (Algiers), Kabylia, Constantine, Tunis, Tripolitania and Cirenaica!

The Aclamation of D. Jolt I as Mighty and Sole Lord of Spain and Africa.

[Veho Nex]

Scottish forces continue their march through sicily.


France - 13
Holy Roman Empire - 15
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 18
Ireland - 8
Wales - 14
Denmark - 9
Norway - 15
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 8
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Turks - 12
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[ULC]

France - 13
Holy Roman Empire - 16
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 18
Ireland - 8
Wales - 14
Denmark - 9
Norway - 16
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 8
Papal States - 3
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Turks - 12
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

The HRE and Norway continue their fight, pushing deeper into Papal Territory - victory will come soon, and Antioch will be free from Papal control.

[White_eyes:D]

Welsh Longbowmen and there France allies push deeper into Ireland......

France - 14
Holy Roman Empire - 16
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 18
Ireland - 6
Wales - 15
Denmark - 9
Norway - 16
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 8
Papal States - 3
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Turks - 12
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Tiberius of the Drake]

The Land WILL be made safe for christian Pilgrims once more!
Antioch/Papacy+1
Turks-2

France - 14
Holy Roman Empire - 16
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 18
Ireland - 6
Wales - 15
Denmark - 9
Norway - 16
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 8
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Turks-10
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 14
Timurids - 6
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10
_______________

[shlin28]

Mongols +1
Timurids -1

France - 14
Holy Roman Empire - 16
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 18
Ireland - 6
Wales - 15
Denmark - 9
Norway - 16
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 8
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Turks-10
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 13
Mongols - 15
Timurids - 5
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Sigurd]

HRE/Norway +1
Papal/Antioch -1

France - 14
Holy Roman Empire - 17
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 18
Ireland - 6
Wales - 15
Denmark - 9
Norway - 17
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 8
Papal States - 3
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Turks-10
Egypt -7
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 15
Timurids - 5
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10
---------------------------------
Current Alliances
HRE/Norway - Sigurd and YLC
Mayans/Portugal - Ares and Glyphz
Papal States/Antioch - Yoyoma and Tiberius
France/Wales - Yoyoma and White Eyes

[Yoyoma1910]

Continuing on into the wealth of Egypt, France and her Welsh long bowmen make further depth, and cheer at their spoils. Soon hopefully, Cairo's walls will fall under their might.


The Bishop General, Yoyoma the Warmonger, has received word that his friend and former ally, the Great and Just, Sultan Beefy (though the enemy of his cousin who is ally through the holy proxy of the Papacy, Tiberius of the Drake, he who is Righteous and Pious) has joined in his campaign. This brings him joy, and he hopes to feast with the this great horseman inside the walls of the Egyptian palace upon completion of the campaign.



France/Wales +1
Egypt -2

France - 15
Holy Roman Empire - 17
Venice - 10
Portugal - 21
Scotland - 18
Ireland - 6
Wales - 16
Denmark - 9
Norway - 17
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 8
Papal States - 3
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 8
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 8
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Turks-10
Egypt -5
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 15
Timurids - 5
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 20
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10
---------------------------------
Current Alliances
HRE/Norway - Sigurd and YLC
Mayans/Portugal - Ares and Glyphz
Papal States/Antioch - Yoyoma and Tiberius
France/Wales - Yoyoma and White Eyes