Some joyous tidings from Israel

[tibilicus]

Sorry hoohguy or whatever your name is but I'm not even going to bother replying to your other post.

You say I'm an anti-Zionist because I don't support every Israeli action?

I don't have a problem with Israel, my problem is though the bully mentality that Israel has in the middle east and it's defiance to only work with governments favourable to it, Palestine isn't one of them. Just look at Egypt and Saudi Arabia now. Pro Western governments so Israel leaves them be.

But when some one stands up to you you can't handle it so go in guns blazing, just looks like your trying to redeem yourself from 2006. You know why? Because your country got HUMILIATED
by Hezboulla. Yep that's right. You got your handed to you buy some guys hiding in mountains with RPG's. They used clever tactics and staged a good guerilla war and you ultimately left that war humiliated. Don't lie and say otherwise. The only people who are convinced they won that war are Isralies themselves but hey, the majority( I'm talking government figures here) of those are conservative right wing morons who see themselves as above every one else in the middle east.

Israel hadn't even tried to get along with it's neighbours. The fact is that if the opportunity was given to Israel tomorow to take Gaza with no international repercussions they would take it with out a doubt. Fact.

You see the thing with most nations is (GB for example) is that we can see the way to work with terrorist organizations. The head of our army admitted the IRA couldn't be beaten on the ground so that's why negotiations happened, now look at Northern Ireland it's relativity stable.

You also are happy to go around playing the old "boo hoo I'm an Israeli you can't hate us your an anti-Zionist anti-semetic racist" card. The fact when I asked you before about the civilians being killed, and yes the majority are civilians the bbc says so you tried to deny it. And then there is your humour which I can see shows your underlying view you think your superior to Palestinians. I pity you being brought up to hate, much like all the other right wing Israelis.



Ah well I just hope Hamas kick your sorry behinds on the ground and embarrass your military again. Might teach your country not to be so imperialistic.

Just remember Israel HUMILIATED by Hezboulla. You got your soldiers back from that war didn't you? Shame they came back in coffins though. And you just don't learn these lessons..

[LittleGrizzly]

The socailist worker party (or something along those lines, i forget the name) has called for people to boycott israeli goods, im just wondering what the general views on a boycott are here in the forum ?

I am in full support!

I don't think we exactly have many israeli goods anyway, but i will try and convince my mum on the position tonight, the israelis may care nought for international outrage but him them in thier pockets and they will feel it.... remember every israeli product bought funds more bullets missles and solidiers for the occupation!

[tibilicus]

The socailist worker party (or something along those lines, i forget the name) has called for people to boycott israeli goods, im just wondering what the general views on a boycott are here in the forum ?

the occupation!

What Goods to Israel even produce?

I can honestly say I cant recall seeing anything with made in Israel on..

[Furunculus]

What Goods to Israel even produce?

I can honestly say I cant recall seeing anything with made in Israel on..

Intel has some fabs and design labs in israel, who invented the Banias chip which is the precursor to the successful "Core" family of processors which replaced the hopeless P4 line.

I would give those up, that'll stick it to'em!

[Ronin]

What Goods to Israel even produce?

I can honestly say I cant recall seeing anything with made in Israel on..

if you are in the market for a Desert Eagle .50, an Uzi or a nice tank....please think before you buy!

[CountArach]

The socailist worker party (or something along those lines, i forget the name) has called for people to boycott israeli goods, im just wondering what the general views on a boycott are here in the forum ?

I am in full support!

Sounds good to me.

[Furunculus]

1. But when some one stands up to you you can't handle it so go in guns blazing, just looks like your trying to redeem yourself from 2006. You know why? Because your country got HUMILIATED
by Hezboulla. Yep that's right. You got your asses handed to you buy some guys hiding in mountains with RPG's. They used clever tactics and staged a good guerilla war and you ultimately left that war humiliated. Don't lie and say otherwise. The only people who are convinced they won that war are Isralies themselves but hey, the majority( I'm talking government figures here) of those are conservative right wing morons who see themselves as above every one else in the middle east.

2. The fact is that if the opportunity was given to Israel tomorow to take Gaza with no international repercussions they would take it with out a doubt. Fact.

3. The head of our army admitted the IRA couldn't be beaten on the ground so that's why negotiations happened, now look at Northern Ireland it's relativity stable.

4. You also are happy to go around playing the old "boo hoo I'm an Israeli you can't hate us your an anti-Zionist anti-semetic racist" card. The fact when I asked you before about the civilians being killed, and yes the majority are civilians the bbc says so you tried to deny it. And then there is your humour which I can see shows your underlying view you think your superior to Palestinians. I pity you being brought up to hate, much like all the other right wing Israelis.

5. You also seemed not to flinch when I mentioned the child who lost his family but hey, no biggie for you right in your nice little house? You probably get excited and happy when you see Palestinian children dying don't you? All because they're on your land. Which by the way isn't even your land.

6. Ah well I just hope Hamas kick your sorry behinds on the ground and embarrass your military again. Might teach your country not to be so imperialistic.

7. Just remember Israel HUMILIATED by Hezboulla. You got your soldiers back from that war didn't you? Shame they came back in coffins though. And you just don't learn these lessons..

1. I think you will find that the israeli military do not count it a victory and like any good learning army, of which there are very few, they will overcome the deficits revealed by lebanon.

2. Israel does not want Gaza, making it part of Israel would destroy the demographics of a jewish state.

3. You mean he admitted that there must be a political end to a conflict like NI, no kidding. so what?

4. The UN says that more than a quarter are civilians, not the majority. I quite liked Hooha's witty asides about militants 'expiring', does that make me a product of a hate-filled childhood too?

5. I cried a little bit when i read about that child, there i feel better about myself because i am indeed superior to that nasty zionist oppressor Hoohaguy.

6. I would rather see an administration in gaza that is interested in peacefully co-existing with the sovereign nation state of israel.

7. We all make mistakes, I am confident the IDF will learn from them.

[tibilicus]

1. I think you will find that the israeli military do not count it a victory and like any good learning army, of which there are very few, they will overcome the deficits revealed by lebanon.

2. Israel does not want Gaza, making it part of Israel would destroy the demographics of a jewish state.

3. You mean he admitted that there must be a political end to a conflict like NI, no kidding. so what?

4. The UN says that more than a quarter are civilians, not the majority. I quite liked Hooha's witty asides about militants 'expiring', does that make me a product of a hate-filled childhood too?

5. I cried a little bit when i read about that child, there i feel better about myself because i am indeed superior to that nasty zionist oppressor Hoohaguy.

6. I would rather see an administration in gaza that is interested in peacefully co-existing with the sovereign nation state of israel.

7. We all make mistakes, I am confident the IDF will learn from them.

You don't get my point do you?

If you read the previous post I'm not excusing the atrocities of Hamas, what I'm trying to do though is show Hoohaguy why this conflict has been brought about. I'm trying to explain that this attack has been planned for months way before the rockets even started coming over the border.
I'm also trying to explain the dire humanitarian situation Gaza has been put through thanks to Israel and it's blockades. Israel in cases had been blocking aid from charity's going over? what give it the right to do that?

Oh and about the civilians read this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7812286.stm

Among all the hundreds we have seen so far, we have seen two fighters," he said, adding that women and children alone made up 25% of the death toll, and 45% of the wounded.

That's a quote from a foreign doctor working in Gaza. So if you say 25% are civilian but only 25% have been women and children and the men probably add up to another 25 % that means even still at least half of the people killed are non combatants.

By the way you should also know that excessive sarcasm is the lowest form of humour and wit. You should probably watch stand up a bit more, you could learn a lot from it.

[tibilicus]

At the end of the day to all those who defend Israeli actions, why cant they just bomb the rocket launch positions instead of bombing the most densely populated piece of land on earth. You can see from the news that the militants are launching the rockets outside of the city areas and mainly on mud banks.

You haven't thought that maybe Israel are after something a bit more here than stopping the rocket attacks?

Have you perhaps considered talking to a brick wall ? It might get better results

Maybe it might be able to understand the sociological,economic and historical factors a lot better.

[Furunculus]

At the end of the day to all those who defend Israeli actions, why cant they just bomb the rocket launch positions instead of bombing the most densely populated piece of land on earth. You can see from the news that the militants are launching the rockets outside of the city areas and mainly on mud banks.

You haven't thought that maybe Israel are after something a bit more here than stopping the rocket attacks?

because those launch sites are not like US/Societ ICMB sites which is to say that they are not fixed concrete launch pads in the middle of 100,000 hectares of prarie-land. They are launched from anywhere and everywhere which frequently includes densely populated civilian areas precisely because they want the protection and the propoganda from israeli retaliation.

yes, they are attempting to break the back of the organised insurgency, how succesfully is the matter in dispute.

[Hooahguy]

Wow hooah actually wrote something right .

way to take things out of context!

You are fairly consistent yourself, Tribes.

yes... consistently wrong

Intresting question for those who support over the top retaliation....

interesting question for you which you and others who share the same ideas you do, which hasn't been answered yet: what do YOU think is an appropriate response by israel? doing nothing is out of the question, for its dumb to think that any nation would let a terrorist organization shoot rockets at them.

At the end of the day to all those who defend Israeli actions, why cant they just bomb the rocket launch positions instead of bombing the most densely populated piece of land on earth. You can see from the news that the militants are launching the rockets outside of the city areas and mainly on mud banks.

dont you know that hamas changes launching sites regularly, so actually hitting one is kinda hard? a

[Furunculus]

You don't get my point do you?

Oh and about the civilians read this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7812286.stm
That's a quote from a foreign doctor working in Gaza. So if you say 25% are civilian but only 25% have been women and children and the men probably add up to another 25 % that means even still at least half of the people killed are non combatants.

nope i really don't.

the beeb has a wonderful way of 'presenting' statistics i always find, but if you are in any doubt about the UNWRA stated numbers i recommend you Ctrl+F the word "quarter" in the following news links:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...237167997.html
http://www.thecornerreport.com/index...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...aza-strip.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...d/6195845.html
I could give you more but it seems a bit redundant.

[tibilicus]

nope i really don't.

the beeb has a wonderful way of 'presenting' statistics i always find, but if you are in any doubt about the UNWRA stated numbers i recommend you Ctrl+F the word "quarter" in the following news links:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...237167997.html
http://www.thecornerreport.com/index...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...aza-strip.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...d/6195845.html
I could give you more but it seems a bit redundant.

Did you read those articles yourself?

Just quickly skimming through with out reading thoroughly I can't find any statistics..

[Furunculus]

Did you read those articles yourself?

Just quickly skimming through with out reading thoroughly I can't find any statistics..

but they all quote the UNWRA as stating that more than a quarter of casualties have been civilian, and at no time is the word majority used in the same context.............................. do they not?

Ctrl+F is your friend.

[tibilicus]

but they all quote the UNWRA as stating that more than a quarter of casualties have been civilian, and at no time is the word majority used in the same context.............................. do they not?

I believe one also said that figures are very hard to obtain due to Israel refusing to let international journalists in. This is shown due to the fact news agency's like the BBC are reporting very different things from other news agency's.

Israeli reluctance to allow international journalists in also suggests they may be wanting to cover up some of the casualties with out going to conspiracy theorist on you.

The Independent actually has a reporter In Gaza city who reported yesterday a civilian death toll figure way above the 25% you are suggesting. To be honest we could have this argument all day and pull up sources from different web sites but is there really any point till Israel lets more journalists in?