Caius I will put you next in line for when a Quaestor dies.
Yes, remember, if you die in game thats it, your out and the next person in line gets to be Quaestor. Its more authentic, and gives other player's a go. If you want you can stay behind from your army you can but that has major penalties, mainly the legion's morale drops signifcantly, you lose several percentage of a chance in winning, etc.
Everyone, I advise you wrap up all your planning, and send through the orders. Deadline is the 11th. If you don't get them in on time; nothing happens, obviously. This will cause dramtic problems, a major one the destruction of your Legion.
The Senate has discussed the matter of the Gallica theatre in the Curia, and it has seen many arguments and persuasions. We were still divided, but a deciion was made. We were going to send a Legion up from Nearer Spain by the coming year, and a Legion from Grecia as well. Plans were to be made over several more coming from Dacia and Italia itself.
Before it was veto'ed by a Tribune of the Plebs.
Many pressed on and you still have support, what we can offer for now, and it was not veto'ed. W will send one Legion from Nearer Spain, for the duration of the invasion. We give command of this Legion to a Praetor, who will be voted on in the Senate. This Legion will operate from outside of Caeser's command and will remain as a whole. It will immediatly be sent to Geneva to reinforce the 13th and will be withdrawn at once when the threat has passed.
If the invasion does happen, we will discuss whether we should send more Legion's. For now the Senate is united in the thought that Gaul has too many Legion's and should be able to fend for itself. Several Senator's have sent some denarii through to Caeser for bribing purposes anyway.
If a Praetor wishes for some denarii say so otherwise it will be used by Caeser to recruit his own soldiers.
Ill have my orders in by tomorrow night, busy today.
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Ill have my orders in by tomorrow night, busy today.
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Okay, I will extend the deadline to the 12th of January, midnight, AUST time. If there not in by then I'll send in virtual Celtic warriors to kill your Legions If they're not in by tonight I will just push back the deadline again; RL is more important
I request, no, I demand, that the entirety of the 8th, 9th, 10th and 13th Legions, as well as the legion from Spain, and their Quaestors, join me in defeating the Helvetii horde, as it is a large threat requiring every legion to handle. The 6th Legion shall stay in reserve.
All the Quaestors should hire local and tribal auxiliaries as well, wherever they can find them.
I will be sending out march order shortly.
To Warluster: Try to scout out the size and bearing of the Helvetii horde. I want as much intelligence on them as I can get.
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Orders a due in by midnight tonight, its the last extension, and if the orders aren't in I will just leave the Legion alone. The Chapter is ready to go except for a few parts; some stuff needs to be done, and the Chapter will be up tommrow. [Dramatic music] And the matter of the army's survival.
“There is Belgica to the north…” Gaius Julius Caeser
60 BC, Kalends of Iunius to Kalends of Sextilis (3 month’s)
The land settles into an odd quiet; the quiet before the storm. But many fear worse then storm hurries, many fear a cyclone may be the master of that storm. To tame both, comes forth the Roman legions.
They attempt to work together, organizing their defense against the Helvetii horde in a series of councils; in those councils each promises another more cohorts or even a whole legion of help. They never argue; and work smoothly.
The plans are laid out, and Caesar inspects the plans they present confidently, impressed by their teamwork, and silently cursing the unwilling Senate. He sends through the commands; and the defense begins.
The gears which turn the whole 6 legions starts turning rapidly, the men eager to march to glory, and defense of Roman lands. The whole operation is put into effect immediately, 3 month’s of planning now put to good use, while Caesar, and the Quaestor’s, pray it all works, or they face death.
They start to get ready the supply trains, equipping them supply and legions for month’s in the field, and the possibility of being cut off by barbarians, or as the situation with the 8th and 9th promises; bad weather. The weather is shining though, and hopes rise. The sun is out, as it usually is during summer down south. They all know its time for summer campaigning, and the mountains south of Averni lands, the treacherous paths covered in snow, may have melted from winter.
At the camp of the 9th legion, chaos is about. Cohorts prepare themselves, equipping their gladius’s, but in this panicking chaos slip out several scouts, riding like the wind for Averni lands. They reach the mountains; and then are lost. While many watch these Roman scouts rip through their lands, others watch as a cohort marches swiftly north east, and they shout across the fields ‘They head for Geneva!’ The cohort rushes, fearing they will see the Celts rush over the next hill. But near the land of the 10th 3 more cohorts join them on there march, with Quaestor Jolt on a fine steed at the head of the Roman column, and the 9th’s cohort joins them, where the lengthening snake of Roman soldiers trudges nervously to the 13th. But as they move through the lands, they are surprised by the sudden appearance of a Roman legion. When Quaestor Jolt rides forth to discover whether it’s from the Senate, Quaestor Demon does the same, and they meet between the two columns. Both are heading for the 13th. Both are there to defend Roman freedom. In total, there are 5 800 legionnaires heading to help the 4 200 already in Geneva under the command of Quaestor AntiWarman.
This massive military maneuver is not the only one being set into motion. Two cohorts, quickly march from their winter camps, to the bewilderment of the local Gallic and Roman people, and anger of greedy merchants. Many question why they sent off one cohort and then leave; the answer comes, apparently, quickly to them; it was a scout.
They are mistaken, though they do not know, as the two cohorts marches north, towards the mountain which are thickly covered in forests, and have a constant layer of mist and cold. But Quaestor Jan, also at the head of the column, encourages them, telling them that Celtic riches lay beyond that hard march. The two cohorts, 800 soldiers, listen and yell in anticipation, imagining the riches. They speed through the woods as Quaestor Jan listens to the reports scouts give to him. The Avneri had gathered their warriors up north, and only town militia stood as an objection to the two cohorts. Quaestor Jan sends in the two cohorts, as they emerge from the mountains and the two cohorts strike at several towns along the border of the mountain. No resistance is encountered and the Roman legionnaires carry plunder and march away from burning villages. As the black smoke thickens the sky of southern Averni several hundred warriors gather at the largest village; more of a town. With only simple wooden palisades the two cohorts charge, in an organized way. Javelins zoom from the defenses and wooden huts, striking the soldiers and pulling them to the ground. As screams echo they meet in melee, a horrible clash. And Quaestor Jan stands, watching, calculating. A single javelin narrowly misses him, the last thrown of the battle, but the Romans overcome the defense. They make quick camp, the days of raiding finished, and prepare to meet a counterattack, and new orders.
Further north in the empty lands of the 12th, the instead of a barren camp, as expected of a camp, in summer, with no Legion, instead loud bangs echo from it as the men of the surrounding fields duel with wooden swords eagerly, wanting to help the Romans and defend the lands. With no pikes they practice a Roman phalanx, failing easily, but learning none the less. As several Celtic mercenaries filter into the town of Vienne, they laugh at what they think are Roman soldiers, before quickly galloping off north, into the wilderness of Celtic lands which they know so well, but the Romans do not.
Down far south near Massilia, things are mild; with the Quaestor heading north to help the 13th, but behind the barricades of the Roman garrison much happens. With no ships a message is sent off to the Senate, ships needed to fight the pirate enemy. But matter far worse happens in Massilia. On an early summers morning ships are spotted heading towards the port, the soldiers defending Massilia ignore them; ships are common at such a busy port. But the ships intentions are quickly revealed as they fire a single stone towards the Massilian walls, killings many as it crashes into town. Horns are blown and sailors and slaves race to the ships, ready to defend their independence, and they curse the Romans. But they are not Romans; instead it is a fleet of pirates, eager to raid this rich port city. The Massilians do not reach their boats in time, and the pirates raid the harbour, before almost a quarter of their ships and men are lost, and they retreat.
The Massilians survey the damage, and find many dead. As parts of the city still burn, the Council of Massilia starts to point fingers; all of them point towards Rome. Why did Rome not defend them? They forget the fact they are independent and do not require so; they send off an angry demand to the Roman Senate. As if to fuel their rage demands from the Romans come through; demands for tariffs and taxes to be paid by Massilia for freedom; another message fires off towards the Senate, and the city boils silently.
But all the bloodshed is mimnized by the potential the situation with the 13th has; it could degrade into a war zone which would destroy the countryside. Quaestor AntiWarman plans a solid defense, anticipating the barbarian hordes actions. He and his aides argue over what might happen, and the people in Geneva and its countryside flee in fear. As the Romans argue, the Quaestor draws up a defence and insists on it; and they prepare.
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Quaestor AntiWarman's defenive plan
As they all panic over numbers the 12th legion and cohorts from the 9th and 10th arrive, adding strength to the Roman defences and two more Quaestor’s come as well. The legions form a ring around Geneva, waiting, three different commands. As three month’s runs out, they all start questioning whether the horde would come. The scouts flitter in shortly after; reporting portions of the Helvetii horde were attacking the Aedui. They cheered, before the next scout came in. The rest of that horde was heading towards Geneva, intent on revenge. The Quaestor’s ask for numbers; the scouts report a lot of warriors; numbers they can’t determine from afar. The Legion’s man the defences quietly, looking on at the wilderness, a mist blurring their sight, and the heavy armor covered in dew. A deep boom echo’s through the valleys of Geneva, and all look nervously. As the Quaestor’s come to inspect another boom echo’s, and the mist seems to ripple as a huge shout echo’s towards them. The Celts were here.
Down far south, in the lands of the 6th, nothing happens. There is no activity, this fact is opposed by the mass of activity in Aquitane. As the local tribes there complain to the 6th legion, as another village is wiped off from the face of the earth. The Aquitane muster warriors from their lands, massing them at towns hoping to drive off the raiders.
In the Far East in Asia Minor Crassus and his Legion’s boldly march into enemy lands, chasing their objective of the enemy and the great city which is ther capital. Contact was lost with them at the start of the second month.
The Senate is boiling with greedy men, many battling to take Caesar down, others complaining about Crassus and his boldness; and the problem he could lose several Legion’s which could be used in Gallica.
The Aedui prepare for the Helvetii invasion, but Averni warriors stream across the border, attacking their villages. The Aedui retreat back heavily, fighting as they do and mustering the warriors left, they fall back to their heavier oppidums.
Orders:
VI Legion:
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You did not command your Legion for the last few month’s, so your decisions remain the same as before
VIIIth Legion:
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You did not command your Legion for the last few month’s, so your decisions remain the same as before.
IX Legion:
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The attack into Averni lands was highly successful, mainly because the Avneri were far north attacking the Aedui. You raided villages and gained much gold, and are now sitting in a town in Averni lands with 800 soldiers.
I) Do you want to remain in the fort? It is a simple fort with only small wooden walls which your two cohorts defeated easily. The aides propose several ways. You could stay in the fort, and fortify it even more, as legionnaires are very much like engineers, or you can retreat. But several other options are also open, it is your choice.
II) The battle with the 13th. The one cohort is still under your command, and the battle will soon rage. Do you still want to command it, or give command of it to Quaestor Demon or Quaestor AntiWarman? If not, you will receive a PM about this soon.
III) 500 Celtic cavalry have approached your soldiers in your supply camp back in the Roman province. They offer to fight for you. You have 1000 denarii, and they ask for 300. Do you agree?
IV) If you stay in the Averni lands the supplies must reach you. You can hold out for 3 months. The caravan masters have made their own routes, do you agree?
X Legion:
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As you march north to fight with the 13th your orders back in your lands are being carried out. The pirates have attacked Massilia itself, a bold move which has weakened them physically and strengthened them financially. Requests have been sent to the Senate for the money to build ships, and they are discussing it. The taxes were enforced at Massilia but the Massilian council has sent complaints to the Senate.
I) If Massilia refuses to pay the tax and tariffs you have set down, what is it you shall do?
II) If the Senate gives you the ships you require to defeat the pirates, what is your plan? Your aides remind you that the pirate base is unknown, as is their strength. What stratergy shall you use to defeat them? Massed fleet attack? Or scouts around Our Sea to find them?
III) You have 3 cohorts with the 13th. One is handling the logistics, so where will you place the others? The Celts are coming closer, and you will receive a PM about that soon
Defensive plan by Quaestor AntiWarman
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XII Legion:
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You have moved your Legion north, to where the 13th is, and your troops are in the battle lined Quaestor AntiWarman has set up. Your supply line is cut off, the Celts are moving in, so you now must be supplied from Quaestor AntiWarman’s supply depot,.
I) Do you want to leave your troops in the current battles positions? Or do you want to change them?
II) The trainees back in your province are training very hard, and they shall be finished in a month or so. What are your plans with them? Your aides suggest you move them north to help you with the 13th.
III) The battle will rage soon, and you shall receive a PM about this soon.
battle plan by Quaestor AntiWarman, your troops are the blue lines. I can provide another map, also by Quaestor AntiWarman without the blue lines so you can plan out your own plan.
XIII Legion:
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Your Legion has taken up defences, as you specified, and the 12th Legion and portions from the 9th and 10th have arrived, though the 6th and 8th are quiet. The Celts are moving in quickly and this is your last chance for contact with the outside world. Is there anything you still have to do?
I) The battle is fast approaching, you shall receive a PM about this soon.
II) Is there anything else you must do? The supply depot can last a year, and you have wooden spikes set up in ditches before wooden walls which are 4m tall.
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I know the orders are a bit bare, but there is still the Battle whcih shall be conducted by PM. Imageshack is down for a bit so some pictures are still coming. If you need maps, please ask. I also suggest the Quaestor's of 8th and 9th start talking; you may need a co-op front to beat back a counteroffensive. And good luck with the Celts!
The Senate has discussed several events which have happened in, or around Gaul.
We have received urgent word from several who claim the Helvetii are attacking. We are sending a Senator now to investigate these claims, and if he certifies the exsistence of a Helvetii attack we will possibily send a Legion from Greece.
As for the problem of pirates in Our Sea, we are very happy to lend as much money as Quaestor Jolt needs for the construction of ships. The pirates are a threat to Roma. We ask Quaestor Jolt to ignore the Massilian's and the Senate is in agreement they have no right to ask for protection. We support your idea of taxes.
Senator Pompey has asked whether any Legion's in Gaul need the support of one of his Legion's in Iberia?
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Here is my plan, fellow Quastors:
I'll legend the pictures at a later time.
Okay, the plan is the following. We'll station two Cohorts near two entrances to the mountains (Red Lines), where they will skirmish and harass with the Helvetii and retreat as soon as they come charging in. They shall exchange between defensive fighting and tactical retreating, taking the advantage that the tight space doesn't enable the barbarians to make use of their superior numbers and thus cannot envelop the cohorts lulling the barbarians to believe that the Romans were much weaker than anticipated, and lowering their guards, making them over-confident and bloodlusted, and with that lowering their guards, oblivious to their surroundings. Two cohorts will be stationed in nearby forests ready to ambush (Top blue spots). Thus their van will be attacked between the front and one or two sides. The frontal cohort will hold the enemy, until the side cohort can slip pass (By massacring the van of the barbarians) the Van and both cohorts will retreat.
After the ambushes, the 4 cohorts will retreat (Pink line), repeating the "defend/retreat" ploy until they reach point 5. (If the two left cohorts can't outspeed the barbarians, (which would be easy as the two Right cohorts to hold the army in the passages easily so the Left ones can cross first), they will go to the 6a point and reinforce them there.) Anyway, once in point 5, they will join up with the four cohorts and try to stem the overconfident Helvetii.
There, the army shall use the narrow pass, plus the skirmisher cohort (Furthermore, the skirmisher cohort will have dozens of boulders and rolling logs up in the hills to not only crush the van, but to take down any group of barbarians who try at cost climb the steep mountain top, to keep killing down the barbarians.
Soon enough, 3 agents, posing as army deserters will come from the Roman Cohorts, one Roman, two Gallics. Saying that they were mistreated by the army and the Rome in general, and say that the Romans are indeed weak, and that they know which passes are lightly defended which will lead the Gallics to, well seeing that they are unable to advance in that narrow passage, to the two traps, which are more lightly guarded, but laden with easily combustible plants and small objects, if need be covered by folliage.
These are points 6a. and 6b., and from atop of those two narrow passages, skirmishers will be set on both sides, where once the barbarians are in, they will launch fiery objects, like torches, for example, and these passes will begin to burn, and the barbarians filled up there will die a fiery death.
As they are many inside such narrow gaps, movement will be extremely difficult amongst the panic, many burning and many being trampled to death in the panic of their own bretheren. Those few who continue to progress further will be attacked by two cohorts guarding the exit of the passes, and since these would be few they will be dealt with swiftly.
The other few who manage to escape from where they came in will find one or two cohorts barring the way, and these will immediatly capture and kill any of the routed soldiers who refuse to yield.
These ambushes will be done by cohorts which will be hidden and the signal to move to their designated places once when they see the high flames caused by the trap.
Thus the barbarian army will be utterly defeated by the fire and by panic, and Roman casualties will be minimal and extremely dim.
Now onto the Line Legends (From top to bottom):
Red Lines - Two firsts cohorts will provoke and engage the barbarians.
Top Dark blue blobs - Cohorts in forests waiting to ambush the barbarians.
Pink lines - Retreat lines for the 4 cohorts which will first engage the barbarians.
Green blobs & lines - Skirmisher Cohorts standing in mountain tops overlooking the narrow mountain passes. They will have an ample supply of large rolling objects with which to kill and deter barbarians in the narrow passages.
Orange & Yellow lines - Cohorts which will be charged to bar the narrow passes from barbarian advance. These will fight densely packed, taking advantage of the narrow to nullify the strategic gain by the barbarian superior numbers.
Beije-like lines - Alternate retreat route for the two left-most cohorts in the beginning. These will follow the Narrow passages up to the 6a Point.
Purple lines - Line used for communication between the 6a point and the 5 point. These can be used to transfer reinforcements from one place to the other. More like backup, not intended to be used.
Lime-green lines (Top picture) and White-like lines (Bottom picture) - Line of retreat of the barbarians from the fire passes, up to the point where the final ambush will defeat them.
Sort of Blue lines - Line to movement from where the cohort hiding spot is to where the final ambush points are.
Greenish-Blue blobs - hiding places where the cohorts will remain until the passages begin burning.
Legend (Step-by-Step):
1- Encounter, skirmish, engagement and continual tactical retreat from two cohorts to lull the barbarians into overconfidence.
2- Two Cohorts hidden in the forests
3- Ambush from the two cohorts hidden in those forests, dealing some damage to the enemy army.
4- Tactical retreat from the barbarians, leading them to think that the Roman army is weaker than supposed, retreat up to point 5.
4b- Alternate route for the two left-most Cohorts, retreat up to point 6a.
5- 9 Cohorts hold the narrow pass against the horde, dealing great deal of damage to them. Deserters make their way to the enemy army and offer their leaders to show the lightly defended passes.
6a/6b.- Armies are lead to the fiery passes, whence the skirmishers throw down the fire objects into the narrow passages, igniting it and killing most of the armies large number in the process of trying to flee. The cohorts defending those passes may also give a help if need be.
7a/7b- Ambush Cohorts hidden in dense forests or out of sight places to attack the fleeing barbarians
8a/8b- Ambush Cohorts see flame rising from the passes, and move forth to smite the fleeing barbarians, therefore concluding the destruction of the Helvetii army.
Good Plan my fellow Quastor! My only fear is that the barbains could break though our middle into the ring. Would we have any reserves to counter it if such thing happens (which I doubt it will!). Plus, I do not want the cohorts outside the ring to get cut off if they get lost in the foggy/snowy mountains.
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Legended. I will give the freedom to the Quastor of the 13th Legion to assign the cohorts to each spot. Be reminded that I left one cohort out of the plan on purpose. Since we may still fit one cohort to do anything that I haven't anticipate.
Barbarians are savage and without wile. This plan will not fail and we will allow Caesar to score an immense victory.
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Originally Posted by ||GoTW||Warman||Sldr||-III-||
Good Plan my fellow Quastor! My only fear is that the barbains could break though our middle into the ring. Would we have any reserves to counter it if such thing happens (which I doubt it will!). Plus, I do not want the cohorts outside the ring to get cut off if they get lost in the foggy/snowy mountains.
Otherwise, Great Plan Quaseator Jolt.
Of course, I forgot to refer to this as it is very obvious. We shall be using scouts throughly throughout the entire operation. Should the barbarians fail to be provoked by our armies (This will not happen due to their bloodlusted and war-like nature, devoid of any sense of strategy), or fail to believe in our double agents (Which I also doubt since these will provide their leaders, who will be losing many men in their attack of the 5 place, with a very easy path to victory, such a thing will be immediatly accepted and enforced.) The distances are rather small, and surely you do not believe that of our cohorts, our leaders do not have a strong sense of orientation?
Were we facing Greeks or Carthaginians, men with an incredible sense of strategy, or Iberians, who could go through mountains as if they were planes, we would not succeed. However, these men have neither advantage, and the terrain is incredibly favourous to us. Victory is certain. The only men who could do better than me would be either Alexander; Hannibal as much as it costs me to affirm this or our great leader Caesar. Furthermore I have the greatest legion in the Roman Republic under my command, how could I not come up with an ingenous plan worthy of comparison with the greatest heroes of time? We should in fact ask for Caesar's opinion.
Good Plan. If our men hold and fight together, we can and will not lose! I will assign my 10 Cohorts, and everyone elses's cohorts according to the plan soon!
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Originally Posted by Warluster
A Message from the Senate of Rome:
As for the problem of pirates in Our Sea, we are very happy to lend as much money as Quaestor Jolt needs for the construction of ships. The pirates are a threat to Roma. We ask Quaestor Jolt to ignore the Massilian's and the Senate is in agreement they have no right to ask for protection. We support your idea of taxes.
I thank the Senate for its generosity and its intricate wiseness and sense of strategy, and also thank for its agreement with the issue of the taxes. These are after all, needed for the very protection of the city and I have discussed greatly the means of financing without overburdening the city. I would never turn my army to looting subjects of the Republic unless the republic had a dire need to.
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I have remembered of yet another backup plan to reinforce the possibility of the barbarians going through the intended passes. In not occupied passes, let us put some dozens of scouts there. They will put several torches in those passages. At day, they shall make as much noise as possible, with drums and trumpets and horns as well as cheers sounding throughout the day as if those passes were full of legions ready to crush the barbarians (Who, would already have suffered some casualties in point 5), and at night they are to light the torches as if to signal the legions that were there guarding the passes. The passes were the traps are will also have torches and the rest, but these are to be kept to a minimal so as to decieve the enemy that there are some soldiers there, but that these are few when compared to the other passes.
As for the cohort assignment, it seems quite acceptable. The most difficult fighting will be in the beginning when my cohorts start the "attack-retreat" plot. Since they are the elitest in all of the Roman Republic, I feel that they are equal to such an important task.
Well I am assuming everyone agrees with the battleplan currently formed, as it is the one being used. battle PM's are going out today or tommrow. For people involved in the battle your decisions will be there, for others please have your decisions in by the 1st of February.
I'm sorry Warluster but I'll have to drop. Please give my spot to someone else.
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If they're not in by tonight I will just push back the deadline again; RL is more important
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