$20 for Special Forces? No way.

**Husar** · 01-11-2009, 16:44

Well, if I buy the game from play.com I get seven extra units and it is pretty much priced like any other game here in Germany. That seems reasonable to me.

**Fisherking** · 01-11-2009, 19:43

Originally Posted by Husar

Well, if I buy the game from play.com I get seven extra units and it is pretty much priced like any other game here in Germany. That seems reasonable to me.

Ditto!

In looking over the site today I found that the second most ordered item was Empire: Total War, and the fourth most ordered item was Empire: Total War, Special Forces Edition.

That is not to bad for a preordered game that has been delayed for at least a month, is it?

**Elmar Bijlsma** · 01-13-2009, 22:10

Certainly not even in the right ballpark in providing money. You get the HMS Surprise and all the major characters of Patrick O'Brian's series in to the game and I might, just might, consider putting down some extra money. Even then, I'd like it to be a more reasonable charge even with me being a hideous fanboy of the books.

That people here are actually approving the extortionate prices for some meagre extra content is astonishing. I wonder if they do that a lot? Going to a vendor and saying: "Please charge me more!" doesn't strike me as very sensible.
It's certainly not a very good signal to give off for those that want value for money.

**Fisherking** · 01-14-2009, 12:40

Originally Posted by Elmar Bijlsma

Certainly not even in the right ballpark in providing money. You get the HMS Surprise and all the major characters of Patrick O'Brian's series in to the game and I might, just might, consider putting down some extra money. Even then, I'd like it to be a more reasonable charge even with me being a hideous fanboy of the books.

That people here are actually approving the extortionate prices for some meagre extra content is astonishing. I wonder if they do that a lot? Going to a vendor and saying: "Please charge me more!" doesn't strike me as very sensible.
It's certainly not a very good signal to give off for those that want value for money.

Why not Hornblower! And lets add Jane Austin and add Jonathan Strange and Mr. What’s his name to that! Nothing like bottling up ships with a phantom navy! Or fogging in the French Coast!

With all respect, most earlier Special Editions only gave you some tiny extra like a map or a thicker manual. This one at least has some special units to go with the fancier box and map.

The only other Special Edition in the Total War Series was for Medieval 2 unless I am totally mistaken. And it only had the map and tech tree so far as I know, but I will await enlightenment.

**Polemists** · 01-14-2009, 13:21

or a thicker manual

If they gave me a better game manual, new units, and a map, I'd be there :P

**Sir Beane** · 01-14-2009, 17:15

Originally Posted by Fisherking

Why not Hornblower! And lets add Jane Austin and add Jonathan Strange and Mr. What’s his name to that! Nothing like bottling up ships with a phantom navy! Or fogging in the French Coast!

With all respect, most earlier Special Editions only gave you some tiny extra like a map or a thicker manual. This one at least has some special units to go with the fancier box and map.

The only other Special Edition in the Total War Series was for Medieval 2 unless I am totally mistaken. And it only had the map and tech tree so far as I know, but I will await enlightenment.

What irritates me is that for Rome we got a map, tech tree and a reasonably thick manual in the normal edition. I have a lot of games that came with maps as standard. Its a shame actually getting anything in the box other than the game is considered to be 'special' nowadays.

As for famous people, why not a pirate edition! Edward 'Blackbeard' Teach, 'Calico' Jack Rackham, Sir Henry Morgan, Bartholomew 'Black Bart' Roberts, Anne Bonney, Mary Reade and all of their respective ships. It would be nice to see them all as Admirals/Captains/Generals.

For those who prefer the child friendly pirate there could be Long John Silver, Captain Hook, and Jack Sparrow if CA could somehow acquire the rights to his character.

Special units could be the Queen Anne's Revenge (Blackbeards flagship), The Black Pearl, The William (Calico Jack, Bonney and Reade's ship) and the Great Fortune (Black Bart's ship.)

**Fisherking** · 01-15-2009, 08:33

Originally Posted by Sir Beane

What irritates me is that for Rome we got a map, tech tree and a reasonably thick manual in the normal edition. I have a lot of games that came with maps as standard. Its a shame actually getting anything in the box other than the game is considered to be 'special' nowadays.

Oh yes, of course. But that was before they were bought up by Sega.

Not that Sega is bad but when you are talking about large corporations there bottom line decisions don’t always equate to what is smartest or best for the customer. Sega came from the console gaming side, with an early focus on hardware and CA was their first venture into the PC software market.

Accountants aren’t noted as rabid gamers so when they suggest cutting costs guess what is seen as dispensable. Have you ever seen a console game with a thick manual and maps?

It doesn’t mean that they are trying to do things wrong, it is just part of their corporate culture and there is a learning curve involved. I am sure CA is doing there best and Sega is too but remaining profitable is always going to be the major concern, as it should be.

M2TW was the first full release under Saga. It was a safe bet in content with less in the way of nice to have extras. CA put out a special edition with what would have been standard before but they had to charge a bit more to recoup the extra costs. We are seeing the same again with a bit of extra content this time. The better is sells, the better the argument for more in the basic games of the future. If it does poorly then Sega can divert CAs efforts to the console market.

Software Companies come and go. Sometimes it seems the better the games the greater the likelihood that they fail. If you want to see Total War type games you have to support them with your money. The people making the games have families to support. They are not doing it out of charity. Sega is not a great bunch of Robber Barons out to pick your pocket. That would be Microsoft!

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It is just my opinion but the best way I see to get better games and more content is to buy the SF edition.

**Abokasee** · 01-15-2009, 08:59

Daylight Gentleman Robbery I say, like someone stealing your wallet, then giving the total ammount of money in there via the Numerical amount in Zimbabwean Dollars (1000 Pounds become 1000 ZBWD)

Ideally if there going to charge and extra £19 (that might be the exchange rate by the time you read this) then they need to add far more units and deliver proper expansions to your door free of charge. (Ok slightly over the top, but then so is what there doing)

And plus, MP, theres going to be a vast majority of people will purchase ETW alone (Myself being among this horde of angry people) there going to have to have seperate servers, or have a major imbalance on the web.