When was Rome doomed?

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

"Your own nation"?

And I beg to differ: the bureaucratic structure and hierarchy remained cohese long after the IIIrd century. Technically, Rome did not fall on 476, but on 1453. That alone is a testament to the capability of the Roman Empire to adapt and regenerate through the countless wars and turmoil it went through.

[antisocialmunky]

"Your own nation"?

And I beg to differ: the bureaucratic structure and hierarchy remained cohese long after the IIIrd century. Technically, Rome did not fall on 476, but on 1453. That alone is a testament to the capability of the Roman Empire to adapt and regenerate through the countless wars and turmoil it went through.

The Eastern Empire was really more of a matter of geography and money.

[Olaf Blackeyes]

The Eastern Empire was really more of a matter of geography and money.

This is true, cuz Constantinople really did protect nearly ALL of the ERE from the barbarian invasions.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

"Your own nation"?

And I beg to differ: the bureaucratic structure and hierarchy remained cohese long after the IIIrd century. Technically, Rome did not fall on 476, but on 1453. That alone is a testament to the capability of the Roman Empire to adapt and regenerate through the countless wars and turmoil it went through.

I'm English, and that was not to be taken entirely seriously (though there remains to this day a discourse which identifies the aristocracy as invaders. That's another topic though.

My arguement stems from a belief that the Roman system after Marius was effectively rotten, and that the Empire persisted mainly because there was no one strong enough to destroy it.