Palestinians in Gaza blaming ... Hamas?

[LittleGrizzly]

And let's not forget the simple fact that he is a member of the notoriously anti-Israeli socialist party, not very surprising that most neo-nazi's vote for the SP, also very close buddies of the international socialists, and you know who that are don't you.

I don't now what your nazis are like over there but ours (the BNP) absolutely hates muslims (no mention of jews) they even have the famous undercover bbc video where one of the head members says 'all i want to do is kill pakistani's' (though he uses the rude name) Infact the majority of racists in the UK tend to choose muslims as thier target group of choice, i can't tell you how many times in real life i have heard the sentence 'im not racist but i don't like pakistani's'

just incase your wondering pakistani (or the shortened version) is the name muslims usually get grouped under... something like calling all asian people chinese...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I don't now what your nazis are like over there but ours (the BNP) absolutely hates muslims (no mention of jews) they even have the famous undercover bbc video where one of the head members says 'all i want to do is kill pakistani's' (though he uses the rude name) Infact the majority of racists in the UK tend to choose muslims as thier target group of choice, i can't tell you how many times in real life i have heard the sentence 'im not racist but i don't like pakistani's'

I'm not sure if ours know what they want, but they're certainly very anti-Israel.

[Tribesman]

I'm not sure if ours know what they want, but they're certainly very anti-Israel.

Damn and there was me thinking that the German neo-nazis really rant about the Turks on their websites
Thats the main thing you notice with all the different neo-nazi forums , each one has their local little hate targets for the local little dickheads .
By the way Mars , don't you notice that they are very anti-Israel and very anti palestine .

He doesn't condemn violence, that's just what he said afterwards when his call for intifada got him in a little trouble.

Fragony , this alternate reality you inhabit does seem to contain a strange time warp .
Or is it that you count 1,3,2,4 instead of 1,2,3,4 like ordinary people
he went to a rally , he shouted the slogans with the crowd and made a speech , then afterwards when people started ranting about the slogans he referred to the speech he made where he condemned the violence on both sides .

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Damn and there was me thinking that the German neo-nazis really rant about the Turks on their websites
Thats the main thing you notice with all the different neo-nazi forums , each one has their local little hate targets for the local little dickheads .
By the way Mars , don't you notice that they are very anti-Israel and very anti palestine .

They are anti-Palestine, but I'd say more so with the anti-Israel. When push comes to shove between the two, most tend to take the Palestinian side.

[Furunculus]

Damn and there was me thinking that the German neo-nazis really rant about the Turks on their websites
Thats the main thing you notice with all the different neo-nazi forums , each one has their local little hate targets for the local little dickheads .
By the way Mars , don't you notice that they are very anti-Israel and very anti palestine .


Fragony , this alternate reality you inhabit does seem to contain a strange time warp .
Or is it that you count 1,3,2,4 instead of 1,2,3,4 like ordinary people
he went to a rally , he shouted the slogans with the crowd and made a speech , then afterwards when people started ranting about the slogans he referred to the speech he made where he condemned the violence on both sides .

do you spend a lot of time on nazi forums, as part of your troll-for-freedom crusade of course?

[LittleGrizzly]

I do wonder how tribesman nows such a wide variety of things.... I feel like i could spend a lifetime learning about this stuff and still never catch up...

I generally assumed our racists/nazis were pretty much copied all over europe, due to recent events combined with an aggressive media i assumed muslims were the hate targets for all european nazis... apparently european nazis are living in the past...

The BNP's actual position on the conflict is actually nuetrual, they have an isolationist policy so they don't care who does what to each other aslong as it doesn't involve muslims coming to britian...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/990228.html

did a little search on google and this came up.... its funny and strange at the same time.... they kind of half justify the holocaust but call it a bad idea...

from the article...
One of the stickers features a picture of Reinhard Heydrich, the senior Nazi official who chaired the Wansee Conference where the Final Solution was hatched. Underneath the photo reads: "As a Nazi, I'm a Zionist."

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I do wonder how tribesman nows such a wide variety of things.... I feel like i could spend a lifetime learning about this stuff and still never catch up...

It's known as Google and Wikipedia, you can do it too if you have a massive inclination to prove others wrong.

[LittleGrizzly]

It's known as Google and Wikipedia, you can do it too if you have a massive inclination to prove others wrong.

Not quite, i can't just simply type in israel and be presented with all the information i need, with some things you need to now about them before you can research them, and even if you have some rudimentary knowledge on the subject that sometimes can't be enough to get you the whole story. Even with the best google fu in the world and limitless time you still need knowledge in the area to direct your searches and filter through the crap...

To give an example if i had never heard of the incident where the israeli olympic team was targetted and the israeli reaction how in the hell would i ever get around to that information with just wiki and google... with all the other crap i would have to get through i would never get around to it... its not just tribesman but in almost any topic we discuss someone will come along with some little known fact that i couldn't have simply searched out because i never knew it exsisted.... ok im rambling now.... im going to shut up...

[Tribesman]

They are anti-Palestine, but I'd say more so with the anti-Israel. When push comes to shove between the two, most tend to take the Palestinian side.

Is that an uneducated guess ?

I generally assumed our racists/nazis were pretty much copied all over europe

not really , when I was living in your country the the little nazis really hated the Irish , when I was living in Germany the nazis didn't hate the Irish quite so much but really really hated the Brits .
I suppose in truth though wherever you encounter these idiots is that they hate anyone who isn't a little nazi too .

It's known as Google

How many times have I said that google is a crap way to explore a subject ?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Is that an uneducated guess ?

They are the lot that supports the Iranian regime. Anti-Israeli sentiment here is prevalent among the extreme-right.

EDIT: For example...

[Fragony]

he referred to the speech he made where he condemned the violence on both sides .

No Tribes, sorry. Can't just decide he made such a speech it doesn't work like that, speech has to be made first and only then does it exists, 1,2,3,4 - 4,3,2,1 thingie.

why not visit some of those nice dutch neo-nazi websites and see how happy the scum there are that the Israelis are confronting the muslim menace .
You will see Frag that they have the same "muslims gonna getya" line of errrrrrr......"thought" that you exhibit .

Why don't you take a look yourself.

[Furunculus]

I do wonder how tribesman nows such a wide variety of things.... I feel like i could spend a lifetime learning about this stuff and still never catch up...

refer to the second rule of Tribesman debating.

A swift google to find a linkable dissenting fact can do wonders to build up an image of fathomless depth of knowledge, regardless of whether the crucial new 'evidence' actually changes the overall picture. After all, exhaustive research is never what internet debate is about, rather it is witty retorts and stinging barbs.

[LittleGrizzly]

If you are reffering to you accusing the BBC of bias because it said killed, then tribesman showing it did the same for the july 7th bombings, he actually had a very good point... either the BBC is biased against israel and britian or its typical langauge they use.... it may have been witty or stinging at the same time but it was very relevant to the discussion.. and the rest i answered to EMFM...

[Furunculus]

not when it is discussing the difference between how the beeb reports israeli and palestinian deaths.

i make a specific point about beeb bias, as i perceive it, in how they report on the israeli/palestinian conflict, in a discussion about the conflict in israel/palestine. talking about the 7/7 bombings brings nothing of worth to the debate.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It's known as Google and Wikipedia, you can do it too if you have a massive inclination to prove others wrong.

Not quite, i can't just simply type in israel and be presented with all the information i need, with some things you need to now about them before you can research them, and even if you have some rudimentary knowledge on the subject that sometimes can't be enough to get you the whole story. Even with the best google fu in the world and limitless time you still need knowledge in the area to direct your searches and filter through the crap...

To give an example if i had never heard of the incident where the israeli olympic team was targetted and the israeli reaction how in the hell would i ever get around to that information with just wiki and google... with all the other crap i would have to get through i would never get around to it... its not just tribesman but in almost any topic we discuss someone will come along with some little known fact that i couldn't have simply searched out because i never knew it exsisted.... ok im rambling now.... im going to shut up...

I'm not saying Tribesman has no knowledge. I'm saying that he gets help. From the Internet. Like the rest of us. But I digress, and I will leave this to Furunculus.

[Fragony]

Et voila, another rocket. Encore, round two.

[Tribesman]

Et voila, another rocket. Encore, round two.

Thats the problem with two unilateral declarations instead of an agreement between the two .
Hamas says the ceasefire is only valid if Israel stops operations and opens the border crossings, Israel says it won't stop operations and won't open the crossings until it gets the prisoner exchange , Hamas says no exchange until the crossings are open .

[Fragony]

Thats the problem with two unilateral declarations instead of an agreement between the two .
Hamas says the ceasefire is only valid if Israel stops operations and opens the border crossings, Israel says it won't stop operations and won't open the crossings until it gets the prisoner exchange , Hamas says no exchange until the crossings are open .

And then, they fired a rocket. Why not throw a shoe.

[Tribesman]

And then, they fired a rocket.

No Frag first they set off a bomb against a patrol , then they had a little shoot out , then Israel launched some air strikes ,then Hamas launched a rocket .
remember 1234
One interesting thing , why are the IDF saying that the patrol that was bombed was not authorised ?

Why not throw a shoe.

Errrrrrr...because they are angry terrorists not an angry journalist

[Fragony]

Errrrrrr...because they are angry terrorists not an angry journalist

They are pretty damn stupid terrorists, they could have made a gesture by releasing whatshisnose, but no-do. Once again they crawl out from under the hospitals schools and mosks half a second before it's really safe, and once again the rockets start flying. And when Israel finally responds they will once again be doing boohoohoo and so will you.

[Tribesman]

They are pretty damn stupid terrorists, they could have made a gesture by releasing whatshisnose, but no-do.

Why ? Don't you know that an Isreali is worth several hundred arabs , Isreael is only offering 220 at the moment they have to up the bid

And when Israel finally responds they will once again be doing boohoohoo and so will you.

No Fragony , I will not be doing boohoohoo , I will be saying bloody idiots how many times are they going to try the same crap when they already know it isn't going to work .
Hamas thrives on that sort of Israeli reaction , just like hezballah does .

[Fragony]

No Fragony , I will not be doing boohoohoo , I will be saying bloody idiots how many times are they going to try the same crap when they already know it isn't going to work .
Hamas thrives on that sort of Israeli reaction , just like hezballah does .

Ok you wouldn't. But many once again will.