Hellenistic rulers: conceivable epithets

[Tellos Athenaios]

I'm not sure, because I did not check with a dictionary, but it sounds like you have quite a few adjectives consisting of 2 words. An example would be "Aaptos" (which is A-aptos). Note that these have only 2 diclensions: m/f and n. That is: the masculine form and the feminine form are exactly the same!

[Maion Maroneios]

I'm not sure, because I did not check with a dictionary, but it sounds like you have quite a few adjectives consisting of 2 words.

Aha, that's correct... So?

An example would be "Aaptos" (which is A-aptos). Note that these have only 2 diclensions: m/f and n. That is: the masculine form and the feminine form are exactly the same!

I know it's A-aptos. It's from apto (which means touch) and with the a before the word, it means 'untouchable'. In other words, invincible. As for the sane form, I'm not sure about that. I'll have to check it

Maion

[Olaf Blackeyes]

This thread RULES!!!!!!

[Maion Maroneios]

Just checked and apparently you're wrong, Tellos. Aaptos has both a feminine (Aapte), as well as a neutral (Aapton) form. What you say about 2-word adjectives is not true either, since Thalassokrates (2 words, Thalassa or Sea and Krato, or Rule) is an adjective that is clearly masculine and has a feminine form as well.

Maion

[Tellos Athenaios]

Just checked and apparently you're wrong, Tellos. Aaptos has both a feminine (Aapte), as well as a neutral (Aapton) form. What you say about 2-word adjectives is not true either, since Thalassokrates (2 words, Thalassa or Sea and Krato, or Rule) is an adjective that is clearly masculine and has a feminine form as well.

Maion

Uhh: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...Aentry%3D%2319

In the case of "aaptos" Perseus' copy of LSJ would disagree with you. Note that this is the only entry to be found for the query "aapt", so that means any exceptional case is pretty much that: exceptional beyond inclusion in an academy-grade dictionary. (Perseus has both Authenrieth (IIRC a Homer specialist work) and Slater too.) Or have you been using a modern Greek dictionary? In which, consider that grammar, especially this kind of grammar isn't a 2300 year old hand-me-down thing.

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule I mentioned in my previous post (apeiros/hpeiros would be one) but that is because those words are exceptional to begin with; i.e. they represent an entity or quality of their own rather than an aggregrate (consider how you might alternatively translate these adjectives using patches like 'not'; 'strongly'; 'well'; 'fully'). EDIT2: And of course there are those (numerous!) exceptions which are just plain irregular; which is why one should check with a good/exhaustive dictionary and which is why I said I wasn't sure....

EDIT: Ooh and please distinguish between adjectives and nouns. Adjective even when used as nouns are subject to the rule; but 'true' (proper?) nouns are not neccesarily.

[Maion Maroneios]

Uhh: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...Aentry%3D%2319

Ah, thanks for that one. I've got another one of Perseus, though this one seems more detailed

In the case of "aaptos" Perseus' copy of LSJ would disagree with you. Note that this is the only entry to be found for the query "aapt", so that means any exceptional case is pretty much that: exceptional beyond inclusion in an academy-grade dictionary. (Perseus has both Authenrieth (IIRC a Homer specialist work) and Slater too.) Or have you been using a modern Greek dictionary? In which, consider that grammar, especially this kind of grammar isn't a 2300 year old hand-me-down thing.

Nah, I'm not using a modern Greek dictionary. I have been taught some basic Ancient Greek at school (Atiic, of course) and I use either my school dictionaries, or on-line ones (more offen). What you say about the grammar is true, Greek (especially Ancient) can be tricky at times Note that I'm more of the match guy (hence I study Physics) than the theoretical one.

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule I mentioned in my previous post (apeiros/hpeiros would be one) but that is because those words are exceptional to begin with; i.e. they represent an entity or quality of their own rather than an aggregrate (consider how you might alternatively translate these adjectives using patches like 'not'; 'strongly'; 'well'; 'fully'). EDIT2: And of course there are those (numerous!) exceptions which are just plain irregular; which is why one should check with a good/exhaustive dictionary and which is why I said I wasn't sure....

Aha... Yeah...

EDIT: Ooh and please distinguish between adjectives and nouns. Adjective even when used as nouns are subject to the rule; but 'true' (proper?) nouns are not neccesarily.

Yeah, sorry about that one. I'll sure distinguish them from each other henceforth

Thanks again for the info, Tellos.

Maion