When was Rome doomed?

[The General]

I can name you two empires that has stood the test of time and are still around, India and China.

I call BS.

Those are (ethno-)cultural entities, not political ones (ie. empires, or whatnot).

[Macilrille]

"I call BS."

Read the entire thread if you please, before calling me a BS-er


An interesting perspective to the reasons for Res Publica Romana falling is two statements.

*The excellent diplomat Kineas when he came back to Pyrrhos/Pyrrhus in 279 or 280 BC could report that the Romans had refused peace negotiations and had been outraged when he offered them "Bribes" (gifts were a common part of Greek diplomacy, but the uncouth Romans may not have known this), and that Rome was "a city of Kings".

*~150 years later Jugurtha called Rome "a city for sale and doomed to quick destruction, if it should ever find a buyer", the difference being the intensification of the aforementioned competetion for power and magistracies. It was always possible to find an ambitious Roman needing money.

[The General]

"I call BS."

Read the entire thread if you please, before calling me a BS-er

Sowweh.

Usually don't do that, but I was tired and couldn't bother reading beyond the first page that night. <.<

[Subotan]

I call BS.

Those are (ethno-)cultural entities, not political ones (ie. empires, or whatnot).

What about my idea of the Catholic Church being an Empire that has withstood the test of time?

[Fixiwee]

What about my idea of the Catholic Church being an Empire that has withstood the test of time?

I don't agree here. Empires are a political or military institution. The caothlic church is a religious, sometimes mythical institution having a crossover with many nations.

[antisocialmunky]

From my experience, empires can be defined in three ways cultural(Catholic Church), Economic(Late British Empire/Modern America), or political/military(Rome).

They are not mutually exclusive and can overlap.