The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have made a mafia tool. I am interested to see if I can beat it.. again.
Commodus' Holms never pointed at me in any game he used it.

It is as TinCow once said. The key to success is to "forget" that you are Mafia. Play as you would if you were town. This is however hard when you are the only Mafia in a game. Multiple families or killers are always good for Mafia in this regard. It gives them purpose to seek them out as if they were townies.

Holmes was a good tool for certain things, I didn't see all its examples of uses, but wasn't it that post per page and vote pattern tool?

The number of posts per page can be easily found in the gameroom, by clicking on the post count. Then you note how many posts, and how many pages. Voting patterns are easy enough to identify by reposting all the vote tallies in one spot and thinking about it.

I'm curious to see if the tool can be refined to ignore the false readings certain townies give off, and be sensitive enough to detect the subtle scumtells that the real mafia leave. I am starting to wonder if I should ignore results that say someone is 100% scummy, because they've been off the mark. But it's also interesting to note that 90% of the scums did appear on the scum-o-meter to some degree, but I made a judgment call and decided others were scummier.

I think I need to use the tool in a more limited form, and read the results as a helpful suggestion, and then draw my own conclusions.

The more games I play, the fewer remaining viable strategies the mafia can use. The more games I analyze, the more complete the database. You will have to pull off something brilliant to continue fooling it, methinks. I should remind you, the tool has been effective already in some instances, and resulted in won games.

But more importantly, townies need to agree that certain behaviors aren't a good idea. Self-voting, for one. (My bad) Excuses for not being here, for another. We don't need to know. An excuse could very well be a lie. (I'm guilty of this too) Not contributing or saying things like "boy, thats a lot of posts. I'll read it later. Good luck town" is basically an excuse not to help us out.

If townies behave themselves, then the subtle self-defense behaviors of the mafia should become clearer. However, since they are trying to fool the system, I'm keeping that in mind as well.

Yak yak yak. Shut up, pizzaguy. Right.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You're in, ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sweetness.

I hereby give permission for the other townies to start beating me with rubber chickens if I talk too much.

[Sigurd]

Holmes was a good tool for certain things, I didn't see all its examples of uses, but wasn't it that post per page and vote pattern tool?

As I recall, the software was able to download all posts by a certain player in the game threads. It considered the length of the posts and when it was posted. It then compared these results to past games. Obviously this tool worked better if it had many games in its database to draw information from. It would easily detect variations from the norm of a certain player.
Kommodus was a bit secretive about this software and the various parameters he used. And I think the last tweak he did was to be able to read new players (without past experience) and possibly detect if they had roles.
This was obviously the weakness of the software. It would expose pro-town roles too as players tend to behave slightly different if they for example are the detective in a game.

[Reenk Roink]

As I recall, the software was able to download all posts by a certain player in the game threads. It considered the length of the posts and when it was posted. It then compared these results to past games. Obviously this tool worked better if it had many games in its database to draw information from. It would easily detect variations from the norm of a certain player.
Kommodus was a bit secretive about this software and the various parameters he used. And I think the last tweak he did was to be able to read new players (without past experience) and possibly detect if they had roles.
This was obviously the weakness of the software. It would expose pro-town roles too as players tend to behave slightly different if they for example are the detective in a game.

It also flagged me every single time Kommodus bought it up for me (and I would presume every single time he didn't too ).