The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Thermal]

Let me know if I can join this one, GH.

Have a guess?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I understand some have observed that my attendance could be problematic. But I don't get WOG'ed in any of the games I've been in, and I always try to contribute, even after death.

Perhaps if I just a little more, it should be fine. Unless you guys are sick of me.


I leave it up to the host, it's his game and he knows if my attendance pattern could be problematic. It's his decision.

[Sigurd]

If I was hosting, I would very much have ATPG join. It would be easy to arrange something if he indeed got a role.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think you just want me to join because I have a nasty habit of handing you the victory by accusing everyone besides you.

[Sigurd]

I think you just want me to join because I have a nasty habit of handing you the victory by accusing everyone besides you.

You have made a mafia tool. I am interested to see if I can beat it.. again.
Commodus' Holms never pointed at me in any game he used it.

It is as TinCow once said. The key to success is to "forget" that you are Mafia. Play as you would if you were town. This is however hard when you are the only Mafia in a game. Multiple families or killers are always good for Mafia in this regard. It gives them purpose to seek them out as if they were townies.

[Thermal]

It is as TinCow once said. The key to success is to "forget" that you are Mafia. Play as you would if you were town.

If i was ever mafia that would result in town winning

Also by forgetting that may mean forgetting to vote, then its not much use.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have made a mafia tool. I am interested to see if I can beat it.. again.
Commodus' Holms never pointed at me in any game he used it.

It is as TinCow once said. The key to success is to "forget" that you are Mafia. Play as you would if you were town. This is however hard when you are the only Mafia in a game. Multiple families or killers are always good for Mafia in this regard. It gives them purpose to seek them out as if they were townies.

Holmes was a good tool for certain things, I didn't see all its examples of uses, but wasn't it that post per page and vote pattern tool?

The number of posts per page can be easily found in the gameroom, by clicking on the post count. Then you note how many posts, and how many pages. Voting patterns are easy enough to identify by reposting all the vote tallies in one spot and thinking about it.

I'm curious to see if the tool can be refined to ignore the false readings certain townies give off, and be sensitive enough to detect the subtle scumtells that the real mafia leave. I am starting to wonder if I should ignore results that say someone is 100% scummy, because they've been off the mark. But it's also interesting to note that 90% of the scums did appear on the scum-o-meter to some degree, but I made a judgment call and decided others were scummier.

I think I need to use the tool in a more limited form, and read the results as a helpful suggestion, and then draw my own conclusions.

The more games I play, the fewer remaining viable strategies the mafia can use. The more games I analyze, the more complete the database. You will have to pull off something brilliant to continue fooling it, methinks. I should remind you, the tool has been effective already in some instances, and resulted in won games.

But more importantly, townies need to agree that certain behaviors aren't a good idea. Self-voting, for one. (My bad) Excuses for not being here, for another. We don't need to know. An excuse could very well be a lie. (I'm guilty of this too) Not contributing or saying things like "boy, thats a lot of posts. I'll read it later. Good luck town" is basically an excuse not to help us out.

If townies behave themselves, then the subtle self-defense behaviors of the mafia should become clearer. However, since they are trying to fool the system, I'm keeping that in mind as well.

Yak yak yak. Shut up, pizzaguy. Right.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You're in, ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sweetness.

I hereby give permission for the other townies to start beating me with rubber chickens if I talk too much.

[Sigurd]

Holmes was a good tool for certain things, I didn't see all its examples of uses, but wasn't it that post per page and vote pattern tool?

As I recall, the software was able to download all posts by a certain player in the game threads. It considered the length of the posts and when it was posted. It then compared these results to past games. Obviously this tool worked better if it had many games in its database to draw information from. It would easily detect variations from the norm of a certain player.
Kommodus was a bit secretive about this software and the various parameters he used. And I think the last tweak he did was to be able to read new players (without past experience) and possibly detect if they had roles.
This was obviously the weakness of the software. It would expose pro-town roles too as players tend to behave slightly different if they for example are the detective in a game.

[Reenk Roink]

As I recall, the software was able to download all posts by a certain player in the game threads. It considered the length of the posts and when it was posted. It then compared these results to past games. Obviously this tool worked better if it had many games in its database to draw information from. It would easily detect variations from the norm of a certain player.
Kommodus was a bit secretive about this software and the various parameters he used. And I think the last tweak he did was to be able to read new players (without past experience) and possibly detect if they had roles.
This was obviously the weakness of the software. It would expose pro-town roles too as players tend to behave slightly different if they for example are the detective in a game.

It also flagged me every single time Kommodus bought it up for me (and I would presume every single time he didn't too ).

[TinCow]

Well, I cannot play until Monday due to RL issues. So, if the game starts before then please excuse my complete lack of participation. However, from Monday onwards I will have plenty of free time and my wife will even be out of town and thus won't nag me about how much time I spend reading the forums. Whee. Thus...

In

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I'm going to close sign-ups sometime tomorrow US time. I'd like the final three spots filled by then, but if you can't, what can you do? See ya tomorrow!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hmm, in!

[Reenk Roink]

hmm, in!

Ohhoho!

Welcome back Sasaki, how are you?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ohhoho!

Welcome back Sasaki, how are you?

Pretty good! Thought I'd hit up mafia again, even though I no longer feel morally comfortable with the concept of playing an evil character

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't know whether to use the laugh smiley or the rolleyes one.

[seireikhaan]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Oh, just send Makanyane and Kukri PMs that they're in, no excuses, and crank the starter on this puppy.!

[Reenk Roink]

I am the Godfather.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sign-ups are now closed. The Godfather will be now randomly determined and has 24 hours to PM me with the name of his two selections for mafiosi.

[Ituralde]

Nooo.. missed the signups for one day. Damn my incredibly fun weekend trip I had last weekend! Enjoy the game everyone!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I could always recruit you into one of my upcoming mafia titles, Ituralde.



And err... someone please make me an offer I can't refuse!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 1

The town, so far, suspected nothing. The van had made an amazing amount of noise the past day and spewed an ungodly amount of black smoke into the pristine sky, but nobody equated it with the return of the Mafia. The Godfather, busy with recruiting duties, would not kill anyone that night and so the town was spared, for at least a day.

As such, events continued on as normal in the peaceful Gameroom. Somebody in the park brought a large boombox and took requests from passers-by. People waved pleasantly at each other in the streets as they walked by on their business. As usual, a nude unicyclist pedaled down the main street, juggling three rubber balls, collecting tips and making merriment. The Elephant and Cannon Pub was doing a roaring trade in the aftermath of Super Bowl XLIII.

Most of the people walking by, greeting each other, listening to the man with the jukebox and watching the nude unicyclist were dressed casually, for the village had an overall relaxed atmosphere to it and nobody wanted to really rock the boat. However, this would soon change. In a rusty old van with the words Vincenzo's Guttering painted on the side, three men dressed in fine Italian suits were preparing to begin their operation.

The van pulled into the parking lot of the Gameroom Bank and the men got out, openly toting their tommy guns and firing them into the air at random. They walked into the bank, still firing their guns, not really afraid of anything.

"Okay paisans, listen up!" one of them said. "This is a robbery! Give us all the money and valuables you have! We need to buy more fine Italian suits!"

"Don't forget cigars, sunglasses, and choice alcoholic beverages," one of them said.

"Not to mention more guns, ammo, explosives, and assorted melee weapons," said another.

"Right!" said the first. "We are about to go on a killing spree in this town, and you guys are going to finance it for us! Now give us all your money!"

Somewhere, somebody pushed the alarm and a deafening siren began to fill the bank and the outside air. The robbers, while taken aback by the blast, did not seem scared in the least bit. Instead, they continued their motions of threatening tellers, customers, and the bank managers and shooting out random windows and ceiling parts until they were finally satisfied with their loot intake.

Before they left, the manager screamed to them. "Aren't you going to worry about us at all? The alarm's been going off for a full fifteen minutes now! The police should be here any second, and even if you miss them we know all about you!"

The lead mafioso just laughed. "You dolts! You don't even have a police force!" And with that, the three villains, carrying numerous bags with dollar signs on them, left the premises and sped away, leaving the bank manager, looking a bit stupid, to turn off the useless alarm.

"Well," he said, "This could complicate things a bit."

...

Word of the robbery spread, and pretty soon an impromptu meeting convened in the town square. Once everybody was accounted for, the first thing that people did was look for anybody dressed in a fine Italian suit, but evidently the criminals had changed their clothes, for there were no suits to be found.

"All right," said one man, "The bank manager said that the bad guys told him that we don't even have a police force here. Frankly, I think this is a disgrace! I mean, what's to stop these people from just killing the lot of us?"

"Yeah!" said another. "We need to get one established, now! And I think we should start building from the top! I move that we elect a Chief of Police right now, one who's responsible for stamping out this sudden wave of villainy that has washed over our fair town!"

Everybody roared in agreement, and the voting process begun.

Villagers, you will now elect the Chief of Police for the Gameroom. The Chief of Police cannot be night-killed and holds his position until he is lynched. Voting will be done like so:

Elect: GH

If you wish to change your selection, do so also in the usual manner:

Unelect: GH
Elect: Silver Rusher

You have around 24 hours. At that time, I will close voting and then the real game will begin.

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Still alive: (28)
Ichigo
shlin28
YLC
777Ares777
Andres
seireikhaan
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Lord Winter
Rythmic
White_eyes:D
CountArach
Tratorix
Chaotix27
Sigurd
Reenk Roink
glyphz
boudica
187Beefyz
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
Jolt
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ignoramus
Askthepizzaguy
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro

[Andres]

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen of the Gameroom,


I hereby announce that I will officially run for Chief of Police!

Anyone who supports my candidacy, will receive unlimited traditional and delicious Belgian fries:




For those preferring something sweeter, we also have cookies:



And free beer! And not just your regular bad tasting beer, no, only high quality beer. Indeed, if I would become Chief of Police of this town, then there will be free LEFFE BLOND for everyone (even for those under age!):



Thank you in advance for your trust and support.

[TinCow]

TinCow
for
Chief of Police

"A Better Future For All. A Shorter Future For Some."

Citizens of the Gameroom, I beseech you for a moment of your time! A great evil threatens our little haven of peace and tranquility. There are men out there who wish to murder you all, and they must be stopped! I pledge to you, dear Gameroomers, that I shall not rest until these miscreants are brought to justice. I believe my resume speaks for itself:

Curriculum Vitae
TinCow

Education History:

• BA (with Honors) in Mafia History from College Tech State University
  
  
• Honorary Doctorate in Logomania from the University of Verbosity (Miami)

Employment History:

• Townie/Wiseguy - Capo de Tutti Capi II
  Worked as a town intern/n00b, attempting to root out mafioso. Gained on-the-job experience in mafia infiltration and elimination. Learned a great deal about not giving important information to others and the perils of secret townie networks.
  
  
• Hades - Netherworld
  Worked as an independent contractor and demonstrated the perils of secret townie networks. Successfully eliminated multiple mafioso and restored innocent townie victims to life. Brought a better life and a more enlightened leadership to the denizens of the Netherworld. Learned a great deal about having prepared alibis.
  
  
• Tommaso - Trapped in Taormina
  Worked as a townie and devoted time and effort to spotting opponents. Promoted to a more important job due to inherent personal skills. Worked with a senior supervisor to further communal goals and objectives. Learned not to underestimate n00bs.
  
  
• Townie - Mafia VIII
  Worked as a pitchfork/torch carrier, attempting to root out mafioso. Fought vigorously against the lynching of a poor, innocent townie. Learned that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
  
  
• Vafþrúðnir - Midgard Saga II
  Worked as King of the Jotun and demonstrated the perils of secret townie networks. Successfully eliminated the Christian threat to the peace and order of the town and brought about a better life for an oppressed minority. Learned a great deal about how role counterfeiters operate.
  
  
• Townie - Chicago Soirée
  Worked to cut through obfuscatory posts and find the villains hiding behind them. Successfully survived a few days before being lynched. Learned not to play in two games at once.
  
  
• Townie - The Scourge of Ephesus
  Worked as a write-up analyst, attempting to root out mafioso. Contributed regularly to the pro-town efforts. Never took sick leave, despite being less than fully healthy for the majority of the job. Learned to expect to be lynched for no reason.

As you can see, fellow citizens, I have the experience that is necessary for the Chief of Police. I am tenacious and will not cease in my un-erring pursuit of success for myself and my constituents.

I am certain that other candidate will suggest that it would be dangerous to elect me to such a position, but that is simply underhanded muck-slinging. There is no possible way for me to abuse this position. Even if I were an evil villain of the sorts we are all afraid of, the benefits offered to the Chief of Police would not aid me, as my life would not be at risk anyway. In addition, the job does not make me immune from our local system of 'impeachment' and in the event of perceived abuses, I can be removed from office as easily as any true criminal. On the other hand, if I am instead the true friend to the town that I claim to be, the benefits of having me in this position are clear. The town will gain a strong voice which cannot be silenced by our nefarious opponents, not even by the most violent of means.

So, my fellow citizens, I ask you not to elect me for my own good. No! Elect me for the good of us all! In addition, I promise that once this menace is cleared from our midst, I shall lower the drinking age and enforce very high speeding fines on non-citizens, the proceeds of which will be used to supply the entire town with free HD television service and internet access!

Elect: TinCow

He's Probably Not Scum

[Askthepizzaguy]

They both want to survive... that means they must be mafia!


Remembers Chicago Soiree...

Sits down, and shuts up for a change.

[Andres]

Oh, please. What a pompous candidate this TinCow is.

And he doesn't even offer anything for free! At least with me, ladies and gentlemen, you'll get free food and free drinks!

Elect : Andres

Even if you die, you'll die with a full stomach!

And to make things better, the first 15 electing me, will receive a present:

[boudica]

Elect: Askthepizzaguy
At this stage I'd rather trust someone who loves to investigate than two people who have nominated themselves

[Askthepizzaguy]

D'oh!

Actually, I do have a plan of action prepared for Day One, and the first several rounds, based on past experience. If you choose to place your trust in me, it will not be misplaced.

It is a very simple, three-step process. To ensure a better likelihood of success, I won't be revealing the details to anyone until well after the game is in effect.


I would be honored to have your votes, although after the Chicago disaster, I don't blame you for looking elsewhere.