CA I beseech you! (With poll)

**Polemists** · 02-08-2009, 11:54

Modders cannot change hard coding. 2 months later you would enjoy the game even more, and a month from that you would have a higher opinion of CA, and not even care that the game was delayed a month or two.

Actually you'd be surprised what our modders can do and actually no, since every other game just got delayed to Apri-June period I'd be playing something else by then. Mar only has Empire, so that'd be all I play.

It cannot be as polished, definately, but it has to be solid. The first time CA did land battles they were solid, and they got better since then. A lot of things that they learned with land battles can be applied to naval battles as well, so there is no reason NOT to have a well developed naval combat system. (I know it does not have to be perfect, or as polished as land battles) I am not saying that it needs to be perfect the first time, just up to total war standards. And esp since naval combat is one of their biggest selling points, it would not be wise to go half butt.

Firstly they are not the same lessons, since most people are whining about wind, movement, and tacking.

DId you play shogun? I did, and I remeber the reviews that described it as good but not perfect, and let's pull a quote here,

But the tactical game isn't perfect. There are a few formation problems. While it's pretty easy to arrange individual units, it's nearly impossible to move a whole army and maintain their facings and positions.

That's from IGN. Like I said, you guys completely forget how total war started with land battles. It was fun, not perfect.

That's all they are saying about naval, I did not see a single quote in that entire article that called it "broken", or "Unplayable" . The only comment I saw was "Chaotic" which is the exact same word they used to describe shogun land battles.

You expect to much, it's a fun game, I want it out and to play it. There is nothing else in march. CA can do patches and expansions later to address fan concerns.

**Vuk** · 02-08-2009, 12:01

Originally Posted by Polemists

Actually you'd be surprised what our modders can do and actually no, since every other game just got delayed to Apri-June period I'd be playing something else by then. Mar only has Empire, so that'd be all I play.

Firstly they are not the same lessons, since most people are whining about wind, movement, and tacking.

DId you play shogun? I did, and I remeber the reviews that described it as good but not perfect, and let's pull a quote here,

That's from IGN. Like I said, you guys completely forget how total war started with land battles. It was fun, not perfect.

That's all they are saying about naval, I did not see a single quote in that entire article that called it "broken", or "Unplayable" . The only comment I saw was "Chaotic" which is the exact same word they used to describe shogun land battles.

You expect to much, it's a fun game, I want it out and to play it. There is nothing else in march. CA can do patches and expansions later to address fan concerns.

Polemists, you know as well as I that there is only so much that modders can do. Also, you know that you buy ETW if it was delayed, and you know that you would play it.
Also, it is like I said about shogun, the gameplay was not perfect, but it was SOLID. That is what I want from Empire, and I think that is what fans are expecting. Also, technology has improved, and CA has learned a lot since Shogun, so I think that most people would expect naval battles to be quite a bit more polished than Shogun's land battles. While wind and tacking does not apply, CA has made so many changes in morale, formations, AI, etc that a lot of will surely be applicable in naval battles, so it is not like they are starting as completely new as with Shogun.
I think you missed my entire point.

**Polemists** · 02-08-2009, 12:09

Let's take these topics one at a time, shall we

Polemists, you know as well as I that there is only so much that modders can do. Also, you know that you buy ETW if it was delayed, and you know that you would play it.

That's a question of when. If it comes out in march, I buy it on day one, I have the money, they get my money. We are all happy.

If it comes out after april there are other games, and as much as I'd like to I can't buy everything , every month, I'd probably delay buying it a month or two if I felt another game was out I'd enjoy.

morale, formations, AI, etc that a lot of will surely be applicable in naval battles,

I don't think people would want to see ships sail in formation or you'd run into similiar facing issues as water is not a hard surface as land is in the bland battles. The AI has more smaller units, so it is less they have to get to move, restructure.

I havn't heard a single AI comment. I've only heard it felt "arcadey". I don't mind that, that's how Sid Miers felt, heck I even enjoyed it. I don't want overly tactical to point I have to micromanage the wind flaps. Neither do most new players. New players beat vets, fact of marketing, more 12 yr old gamers then mature ones, if you don't buy that just talk to world of warcraft.

are starting as completely new

They are starting completely new, it's a brand new engine, brand new coding, lots of new.

End of the day I don't see a single justification to delay. Those of you who want a delay can just wait till a expansion.

If the game is addictive and getting high 90% reviews I think it will do just fine. There always are nay sayers, Ca can't make everyone 100% happy. They can however make some money and make the rest of us happy

**Vuk** · 02-08-2009, 12:30

Originally Posted by Polemists

I don't think people would want to see ships sail in formation or you'd run into similiar facing issues as water is not a hard surface as land is in the bland battles. The AI has more smaller units, so it is less they have to get to move, restructure.

I havn't heard a single AI comment. I've only heard it felt "arcadey". I don't mind that, that's how Sid Miers felt, heck I even enjoyed it. I don't want overly tactical to point I have to micromanage the wind flaps. Neither do most new players. New players beat vets, fact of marketing, more 12 yr old gamers then mature ones, if you don't buy that just talk to world of warcraft.

They are starting completely new, it's a brand new engine, brand new coding, lots of new.

I know that, but I mean things like pathfinding for the crew on ships, morale, etc. They are things that their experience in the other games will help them develop, which is what I meant. I know they are starting with a new engine, but they have years of experience and knowledge, which is exaclty what I meant.

End of the day I don't see a single justification to delay. Those of you who want a delay can just wait till a expansion.

If the game is addictive and getting high 90% reviews I think it will do just fine. There always are nay sayers, Ca can't make everyone 100% happy. They can however make some money and make the rest of us happy

GIVE ME THE CANDY! NOW!
I see no justification for putting part of the game out on March and releasing the rest a little while later when it could be released all together as a complete game. You know that you will be happy (indeed, probably happier) if a complete game is shipped a later on. I do not know how good naval battles are, but I do not like the idea of campaign MP being release seperately. I have no doubt that the game will be great, but it should be released in (and hopefully will be) a solid, fun package.
People always whine about getting it out as soon as possible, then whine about CA not taking the little time it would have taken to fix this or that thing that is now causing problems or making the gameplay less enjoyable.