The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, pardon me, but I have places to be and cannot respond to your questioning kthanxbye!

To respond to your observation, that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was saying was, rather than "I must be innocent because I post alot" (Which is false because I do that as mafia), was that I am innocent because I am intentionally, and for no seemingly rational purpose, bringing heat on myself and then responding to questioning.

And it has gotten me dead, every single time I've done it.


If I truly smell funky to you, lynch me. 2 murders will prove my innocence. I don't fear death. I'll even go so far as to say, perhaps you're being a bit too eager to jump on what is clearly baiting evidence planted there intentionally.

I wouldn't peg you for a lazy mafia, but you know, it's the perfect opportunity to get through another round. And you just happen to be here at night. How curious.

[LittleGrizzly]

If you try too much harder to prove your innocence i may vote for you...

[Askthepizzaguy]

@LG

Predictable.

Well, you've done it before guys, and as expected, you'll do it again.

I refuse to stop doing this, by the way. If it takes 10 or 20 mafia games, with me being lynched immediately and proven innocent afterward, eventually you will see that it makes no sense for me to keep doing it as a mafia, because it IS handing you my head on a platter.

There's no other way to look at it. Come now, LittleGrizzly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I haven't given up on the idea that there are ways to prove your innocence without actual proof.

But, if at last it never catches on with anyone besides myself, I may pull an Ichigo and only really ever show up to vote, and get lynched every time for being a lurker. Same result, less effort.

[LittleGrizzly]

Im not saying your guilty but you completely cloud my thinking with your determined innocence talk and it makes me think of you somewhat as a mocking mafia

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not my style, though. I could prepare an exhaustive list of links to previous mafia games I've been in and prove it, but I don't think it's necessary.

MY way of mocking the town is very simple; be as townie as possible and then laugh at you when we win. I would not draw heat on myself on purpose just to get lynched. That's not mocking, because when I succeed in my efforts, die, and there are less murders per round, you will know I am guilty, and it will be ME who looks the fool, not you.

I don't like looking the fool. I am prepared to take great risks to help you guys out, post until my fingers bleed, spend 50 hours creating mafia tools, and do exhaustive analysis on everyone in a game, because I don't want to look like a lazy or foolish townie. And there are things I refuse to do to win a mafia game, such as lurking.

I have my own code of honor, and I get more satisfaction from winning if I pull the wool over your eyes in a flawless manner, not in this absurdly flawed and idiotic manner.

Note well that this entire line of questioning I purposefully brought ON MYSELF and stayed to answer your questions. If mafia have ever done that before, I will be surprised.






In spite of your doubts about me, can you not see there is logic in what I'm doing, in spite of the risks? I trust that you can. In spite of the track record, I still have faith in town to "get" me eventually.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Pizza:

GH never said you weren't an effective mafioso -- he said you weren't inconspicuous.

You make Sasaki seem like a lurker.

Between you two and the inscrutable reenkster, Mafia-ing is quite entertaining.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, pardon me, but I have places to be and cannot respond to your questioning kthanxbye!

To respond to your observation, that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was saying was, rather than "I must be innocent because I post alot" (Which is false because I do that as mafia), was that I am innocent because I am intentionally, and for no seemingly rational purpose, bringing heat on myself and then responding to questioning.

But what you said was going to bring heat on you really doesn't. Who cares about a little wifom?

And it has gotten me dead, every single time I've done it.

I'm not familiar with your post. Right now you and sigurd would be my top two to vote for. Sigurd because he's lurking and thus not revealing much, and you because you're doing the opposite. The amount of long winded zaniness you post makes people miss the trees for the forest. If you had just posted your attack on shlin you would have drawn suspicion for it as it was a weak attack based on a careless reading. But it gets lost in the shuffle of all your other posts. PK was successful with this kind of play as my partner in taormina. Your case on gaius was full of holes as well. I don't intend to post a long rebuttal because I don't object to people being prodded and having to defend themselves and I think it's fairly evident to those who read it carefully (if anyone bothered).

In summary, it's an anti-town posting style like lurking is and that makes you a good candidate for an early lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But what you said was going to bring heat on you really doesn't. Who cares about a little wifom?

It's hardly a little.

I'm not familiar with your post. Right now you and sigurd would be my top two to vote for. Sigurd because he's lurking and thus not revealing much, and you because you're doing the opposite. The amount of long winded zaniness you post makes people miss the trees for the forest. If you had just posted your attack on shlin you would have drawn suspicion for it as it was a weak attack based on a careless reading. But it gets lost in the shuffle of all your other posts. PK was successful with this kind of play as my partner in taormina. Your case on gaius was full of holes as well. I don't intend to post a long rebuttal because I don't object to people being prodded and having to defend themselves and I think it's fairly evident to those who read it carefully (if anyone bothered).

In summary, it's an anti-town posting style like lurking is and that makes you a good candidate for an early lynch.

This is the same argument that everyone always uses against me when I do this, and it's always wrong.

And when I am mafia I am more subtle about my own alignment status. I don't parade around going "lynch me, lynch me" because I KNOW YOU WILL. YOU GUYS WILL ALWAYS LYNCH ME.




I'm just saying. You're only stroking my ego when you suggest I'd be this bold, so thank you for the compliment. I will continue to help out after I am dead, but you could always ask yourself if it follows for a mafia to try to get lynched, especially when that would LIMIT THEM TO ONE MURDER.



Clues, guys. Clues.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nothing else?

Ok. I had planned on leaving at 9PM but I didn't want to skip out of being questioned. I'm leaving in a few minutes, so if you have further questions about me please pose them now.


Sometimes, when playing these games, I think what might be happening is that you're observing the kind of behavior that's coming from me, but you're disregarding the content. The behavior coming from me is undoubtedly questionable, but the content makes no sense if I were mafia.

The options:

1. I am a townie, and I have a point about what I am saying.

If you listen to me carefully and work it out for yourself, it's highly unlikely any mafia would do this, and even me, in spite of my crazy gambits. Because:

2. As mafia, I am virtually guaranteeing you will lynch me. Because town always does. It's automatic. Anytime anyone steps forward and does this set of behavior, it always results in that person's death, in the immediate future or in the now.

It does not follow that a mafia would do this, because the "gambit" fails when it succeeds. You believe I'm guilty, you lynch me, mafia has one less kill per night (What a coup for town!) and you also don't believe anything I say because I am proven mafia.



I'm shooting myself in the foot and yelping like a scalded dog, or like a pizza guy who intentionally shot his foot off. If I have devious reasons for doing so, it won't matter, because you'll kill me anyway AND I will have almost single-handedly ruined the game for the mafia. Bravo.

I don't think that's a likely scenario, and until I see it happen in a game, I am using it to prove my innocence. You can ignore the logic, but it's still there.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Would you perhaps swear to me that you aren't mafia? In a sentence like "I swear that I am not a mafioso"

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

oh, and make sure you get the capitalization right

[Beefy187]

Would you perhaps swear to me that you aren't mafia? In a sentence like "I swear that I am not a mafioso"

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

oh, and make sure you get the capitalization right

mind you.. last time we tried that "truth" thing, CR found a loop hole and managed to fool us all

[Sasaki Kojiro]

mind you.. last time we tried that "truth" thing, CR found a loop hole and managed to fool us all

Funny story eh?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Through my actions, and by planting myself intentionally on this course towards sure self-destruction, I already have sworn to you that I am not a mafia.

Saying so will prove nothing, actions speak louder. But if you need to hear the words, for whatever reason:

I swear I am not mafia. I swear I am a townie. I swear I have no role. You will be just fine if I die. You will do better if I do not. You will do better if mafia is forced to kill me. That is why I am trying to be removed from the suspect list... mafia will have no choice but to kill me.

I am betting they don't want me, with my big inquisitive mouth, my vote, and my analysis system, to remain an active part of the game in the final stages. I need to die before then for them to have a better chance of victory. And in doing so, they waste a kill on a non-detective and give me a free hand to persecute them.

Darned if you do... darned if you don't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I swear that I am not a mafioso.

I want to make sure I repeated it verbatim.