OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[ULC]

Just went on a murdering spree Ingame and found that marrying Aleksandra puts me third in line for the throne

I only have to have Andronikos die some weird, nasty death, and I get to be Caesar....

[Ignoramus]

Good luck...

[_Tristan_]

And if Ioannis were to die before Methodios, we would have a Basileus which had rebelled against his own Empire...

[TinCow]

A note: Due to Helarionas Anargiros (YLC) swearing fealty to Methodios Tagaris (Tristan de Castelreng), YLC has also become a rebel and has joined the Tagarian Rebellion civil war. As this war includes all of the combatants who were already at war with YLC in the 'War of Abduction', I consider that war to have merged into the Tagarian Rebellion. Thus, the War of Abduction is now over, and YLC's little personal war is now also part of the Tagarian Rebellion. If you haven't noticed, I keep all this info up to date here.

Please also note that regardless of any IC situations, the rules of Event Five still apply. Helarionas Anargiros (YLC) cannot marry the princess until 5 turns have passed (1189 AD), and even then there must not be any hostile Senator within 1 turn's movement of him.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You're entirely correct. I simply added YLC to the Tagarian Rebellion civil war, then later looked and saw that he was at war with Marcus Agrippa and went from there. I erred by forgetting that he had just now become a rebel. Under the new rules for rebels, when a person becomes a rebel they make the declaration of war:



This means that YLC just declared war on Marcus Agrippa this turn. Thus, under 5.1, Marcus Agrippa can attack YLC this turn, but YLC cannot attack Marcus Agrippa until next turn. Thank you for pointing out this error. The above battle is now CANCELLED unless Marcus Agrippa appears and states that he wants to fight it. The game may proceed as normal, and the turn may be ended whenever the Megas wishes. YLC may not attack anyone except the Basileus this turn, as the other two people he was at war with are now (ironically) his allies.

(Yes, this game is now so complex that even I have difficulty remembering all the rules all the time.)

Since Helarionas swore an oath to Methodios and thus became part of the Rebellion do I have to once again declare myself neutral??

[TinCow]

While I see where the rules as written would make that necessary, I will not require it. Now that we're delving into PvP much more regularly, we're bound to find rule conflicts that haven't been dealt with before. I am perfectly happy using my generic GM powers to smooth over these conflicts when they arise.

So, as far as I am concerned, the answer is no. You're already neutral in that war. Helarionas just flipped sides by joining Methodios, so it's the same conflict, just with a change in the allegiance of one of the combatants. I therefore consider your neutrality binding on Helarionas as well. This is not a disadvantage to anyone, as YLC is perfectly free to declare war on you unilaterally if he really wants to.

[woad&fangs]

Just went on a murdering spree Ingame and found that marrying Aleksandra puts me third in line for the throne

I only have to have Andronikos die some weird, nasty death, and I get to be Caesar....

*prays the autoresolve gods are nice to him*

[Ituralde]

Concerning the upcoming PVP Battle. I don't understand exactly why it will be resolved via an AI only battle, since one side won't show up. Isn't that a disadvantage for the side that is actually active and playing? With inactivites being as frequent as they are this probably won't be the last engagement of this sort and I would have preffered fighting these kinds of battles as Player vs. AI. AI vs. AI seems much too random to me.

[Zim]

In this particular case it turned out a battle couldn't be initiated that turn anyway.

I was wondering that as well. If I had to hazard a guess it's MA's semi-active status (no posts lately but online recently and still giving directions concerning his character) A completely inactive character could just be killed off in a player v AI battle. Someone who's more active but out for a couple days might be very unhappy to find their guy killed while they were gone. Of course, that could be said to be the price of not being around for a little while...

[flyd]

I would agree with that, but there is no longer a PvP battle. One of the characters has escaped.

[Ituralde]

Alright. Just wondering how much of a precedent was set here. As always I trust TinCow to make the right decisions at the right times.

I didn't know about the semi-active state and I didn't know he escaped either.

[TinCow]

Alright. Just wondering how much of a precedent was set here. As always I trust TinCow to make the right decisions at the right times.

I was concerned about establishing a precedent where people who were afk for a couple days could get assaulted. We all know that allowing a player to fight against the AI will generally result in a massive victory for the player, even when they are at a disadvantage. I allowed it for the earlier YLC vs. pevergreen battle because pevergreen specifically approved it, and he was going to be on the losing end.

While Marcus Agrippa isn't around at the moment, he hasn't met the requirements to be moved to the inactive list yet. So, I was concerned about essentially letting YLC smash him flat. If he had been a fully inactive player, I would have allowed it as a custom battle. As always, this is not a perfect solution, but I'm trying to keep things as fair as possible.

[Ituralde]

I fully understand. It's just good to know what one gets into, as attacker also when starting these engagements. Like I said, I thought the inactivity to be far greater than it actually was.

[TheFlax]

It really wasn't that long to get everything up to date, it took me about 2h or so. Now that it is up to date, we'll hopefully be able to kept it that way.

[TinCow]

TheFlax will be taking control of Basileus Ioannis Tagaris.

[woad&fangs]

Zim, any chance this turn could be extended a couple days?

[Zim]

I'll likely be giving this turn a few days. I imagine lots of people are busy today...

On an unrelated note, hurray for wills!

Zim, any chance this turn could be extended a couple days?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

On an unrelated note, hurray for wills!

I think it's time to make a will for Theo too.