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    For me the ships are looking like galleys ("peregrine galley") or some of the yachts from this age. Anyone ever seen a picture of the "Royal Caroline" or equal ships? They were used as fast cruisers between England and the colonies in 18th century.

    The hull seems a bit long for a Flute (overall proportions ...). Or it is the CA answer No. 236 for intrusive questions: "It's from a old build - we changed all ships 34 weeks ago"

    It could be some kind of galley but the jigg mast throws me.

    It seems a little slender for a flute and I must say I was going on the rigging.

    They are not ship rigged. They look like merchant men and the shot could be early Jamestown.

    They are ships with stubby mizzen masts and even shorter jigg masts and a very high poop. I guess we may find out some day.

    It wouldn’t be the first time I miss identified something…


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    It could be some kind of galley but the jigg mast throws me.

    It seems a little slender for a flute and I must say I was going on the rigging.

    They are not ship rigged. They look like merchant men and the shot could be early Jamestown.

    They are ships with stubby mizzen masts and even shorter jigg masts and a very high poop. I guess we may find out some day.

    It wouldn’t be the first time I miss identified something…

    Nope, you are right about the merchant man. I knew i've seen one of these ships anyhere ... here it is:

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images..._59.534.23.jpg

    Pieter Bruegel painted it, so it was a real used ship type. Description is: 2 ships of war and a 4 masted merchant.
    Von der Woge, die sich bäumet, längs dem Belt am Ostseestrand; Bis zur Flut, die ruhlos schäumet, an der Düne flücht'gem Sand;
    Gott ist stark auch in den Schwachen, wenn sie gläubig ihm vertrauen; Zage nimmer, und dein Nachen wird trotz Sturm den Hafen schaun!


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    Nope, you are right about the merchant man. I knew i've seen one of these ships anyhere ... here it is:

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images..._59.534.23.jpg

    Pieter Bruegel painted it, so it was a real used ship type. Description is: 2 ships of war and a 4 masted merchant.
    Thats a "Nau" in my country...i suppose a Carrack in english.

    I suppose that different denominations for certain ship types can make it all a bit confusing. For instance Marten spoke of galleys...but those werent used on transoceanic voyages...a galleass perhaps (thats basically a galeon or a carrack with oars also) but i still find that unlikely.

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    What was the biggest play in the development of nuts?
    I shouldn't have laughed, but I did.

    Ah, those crazy Poles. What will they come up with next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusitani View Post
    Thats a "Nau" in my country...i suppose a Carrack in english.

    I suppose that different denominations for certain ship types can make it all a bit confusing. For instance Marten spoke of galleys...but those werent used on transoceanic voyages...a galleass perhaps (thats basically a galeon or a carrack with oars also) but i still find that unlikely.

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    Lusitani, please do me a favour. Search for the Peregrine Galley like i did. I'm a bit confused ...

    Here she is, isn't she a beauty?



    Should be a later form of the galleon or somewhat "highly-developed galleon". Talking about ships isn't easy for me when it comes to naval terms ...

    The Nau is also known as "Hulk" in the baltic sea and northern european. You see, that is the challenge: Almost equal, but given 3 different names.
    Von der Woge, die sich bäumet, längs dem Belt am Ostseestrand; Bis zur Flut, die ruhlos schäumet, an der Düne flücht'gem Sand;
    Gott ist stark auch in den Schwachen, wenn sie gläubig ihm vertrauen; Zage nimmer, und dein Nachen wird trotz Sturm den Hafen schaun!


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    And there "he" is:

    The "Eagle of Lübeck" (or in German "Lübscher Adler"), built in 1567 and the designated flagship in the war nordic war against Sweden.
    Not in the timeframe of Empire, but look at the rigging ...

    It is a mixture of Nau, Holk (or Hulk), Carrack or Galleon as it was common in that age. Remember, the shipbuilders were working almost
    without any kind of blueprint.

    Von der Woge, die sich bäumet, längs dem Belt am Ostseestrand; Bis zur Flut, die ruhlos schäumet, an der Düne flücht'gem Sand;
    Gott ist stark auch in den Schwachen, wenn sie gläubig ihm vertrauen; Zage nimmer, und dein Nachen wird trotz Sturm den Hafen schaun!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marten View Post
    Lusitani, please do me a favour. Search for the Peregrine Galley like i did. I'm a bit confused ...
    I am opening a new topic on ships from the 15th Century onwards...as this one is slipping to the offtopic too fast :)...got a Peregrine Galley for you Marten.
    Its called Age of Sail.

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