The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[naut]

Rythmic... thats a hell of a long hagover...

Three separate hangovers to be precise.

But yes, your correct I was simply voting to avoid a WoG. Because I'd at least be a little useful later on, or at least I hope I am.

[Reenk Roink]

I am disappointed in you guys. You are lynching a townie for more or less no reason.

The game has not lasted long enough for anyone to be considered a lurker. And your paranoia is getting the better of reason. What happened to start each game with a clean sheet? You are all voting based on the fact that I have been successful in past games which indeed is not at all relevant in this one. It's all argumentum ad antiquitatem.

I will however change my vote to the one I think is responsible.
This all smacks of Reenk craziness
Reenk jumps on the bandwagon giving no reason and at the same time give praises to the mafia. You always like to leave little clues here and there.

unvote: YLC, vote: Reenk Roink

The others voting me for no or at best flimsy reasons will receive scrutiny. Yes I am looking at you taka and Gaius.

Hello Sigurd

I assure you I care not for the town's bandwagon. Of course I know too well that the charge of lurking is much too early. Also I don't believe it fits. Also, I don't believe you to be one who will use the same tactics.

However, I am not the Mafia Sigurd. I may be crazy but I'm not careless with my life.

Besides, the Godfather would obviously choose the better man.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...Besides, the Godfather would obviously choose the better man.

But Boudica was already killed....

[Jolt]

and Grizzly/Jolt for the ongoing vote fued. That feud is classic mafia to set up a "but I voted against her/him twice!" defense. No such votes were put out when any REAL pressure might have been exerted.

I made both those votes when there were a fair few people left to vote, i also though i had decent reasoning behind it and explained my reasoning, i may be tempted to put a vote on a fellow mafia but i wouldn't have the guts to start the voting and questioning of my fellow scum... i think the main thing that really blows this idea out the water is Jolt's reaction, he made himself look kinda scummy with his impassioned defence, if it was a premade play between the two of us i would imagine he would have had a less scummy response...

I have basically sent a fellow mafia to the gallows once in midgaard saga II but at that point alot of suspicion was on sarathos anyway... i will explain in a little more deatil if anyone wants...

Rythmic... thats a hell of a long hagover...

Decent? Pah-leeze. Basing your vote on my already proven non-activity on weekend is hardly any evidence at all. As ATPG well said, I have nothing whatsoever that sheds any suspicion on me (Besides my reaction to stupid motives for lynching me), reading what TinCow well said, the plagarization of the kills from past games is probably the works of someone who has played those games (I don't have the mood or the time to go read past Mafia games, and apparently you have played the games in question, which adds even more heat on your side), and your words "to provide an alternative", (especially with the baseless reasons to have given for my lynch) for the lynch vote makes me suspect that you are indeed one of the henchmen of the Godfather. I'd wish if there is an investigator role, that he investigate LG.

Vote: LittleGrizzly

Although, it'd be damn funny if me and Grizzly were mafia. xD

[GeneralHankerchief]

Awesome, we have a mid-game name change.

Just for my reference, Rythmic is now Psychonaut.

[Andres]

Are the votes on "Rythmic" still valid/being transferred to "Psychonaut" or is change of the username a way to avoid the lynch?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Of course they're still valid.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To the extent that this means anything {limited}, Pizza is usually a very heavy poster in mafia games. I'd have to do a post count, but I believe we'd find he's slightly less active when mafia than when town.

I believe so. Seriously, what I am doing, annoying though it may be, as TinCow has pointed out, focuses the discussion on myself.

A suicidal maneuver as a mafia, to be sure. I won't continue with that line of thought today, I feel I exhaustively made my point and will be a little less long winded now that it's out of the way.

I also know me yakking takes away some fun for some people, and as such, I will try to bring it down. I just needed to make my play for this game, which was to try and un-incriminate myself so we can move on to other suspects. I did wait until Chaotix suggested I was scum to do so, but I needed to do it eventually.

Still reading.



I will have to do something about the above, I don't need a big scumtell on myself that everyone knows. Pulling back my posts when townie should do it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Also, just to make it clear that I don't think that ATPG is guilty, and I certainly don't find his mammoth post count suspicious, I merely know that he is mistaken on the matter of my guilt.

Fair enough. I believe you addressed my concerns in a reasonable enough manner. I can't continue to whip eggs at someone when they keep sliding off.

Maybe I shouldn't boil them so much...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ATPG - you're asking for mafia to kill you and constantly claiming that people are going to lynch you anyway. If I were alive I'd vote for you as I think you're making it easier for mafia.

Your inquisition is great for town, but leave some room between your posts for other people to say something constructive/ incriminate themselves.

Say for instance that every game you play as town you spam the board in order to prove your innocence. At some point when you ARE mafia, it would be a rational strategy to spam the board in order to prove your innocence - that's why I'd vote to lynch you every time you play this way.

Ah, but Boudica, that's a bad reason to vote someone.

A lot of people suggest the same thing about YLC in games I've been in, and he's been mostly innocent. Whether myself and YLC grate on people's nerves or not, or have big discussions or not, the point is to lynch mafia.

And I consider it a matter of opinion whether it's good for town or not, as I've pointed out repeatedly, you can simply ignore my posts and scroll down. I am not taking away opportunities for other people to speak when I do. It's not like we are all sitting together in a room and only one person has the floor, we can have several discussions at once.

That being said, while it suits me to talk as it gives me clues based on people's reactions to me, I understand and it's been suggested that I'm making the game less fun for people, and at the end of the day that's more important than winning I suppose. So, I'm going to seriously start spoilering what I say if it's more than a brief thing, or if it's a conversation.

Out of courtesy and respect for others.

And because of the reason you suggested above, I wouldn't do this as a mafia. It does mean my death, especially if it annoys people. I couldn't find a way to make myself more of a target, and less popular, to the point where people want me dead whether I'm mafia or not.

And that's precisely my point. Chaining myself to the railroad tracks as a train is coming, the equivalent of what I did earlier, is not good mafia play. I'm going to drop it, but you must see my point. And it isn't all about me, and that's another reason why I'm dropping it.

Askthepizzaguy 82 5.85 Ephesus (twn) 4.6 Chicago (twn) 7.19 Fillet (P-twn) 3.24 promo (maf) 3.79

Thank you. Now I know what I have to work on, and that should semi-clear me here.

People like atpg and ylc make me wish I had a vigilante role... Mafia is more fun if you treat it as a communal effort, trust me.

Point taken.

Vote: YLC

Ignoramus is lurking badly, if my quick read-through serves. I will recheck, but I am wondering why more isn't made out of that.

I'll also do a tally if it's helpful. I gotta make up for being annoying somehow.

[Quintus.JC]

YLC, you put forth interesting mafia philosophy, but it doesn't help the town in any way in the actual game. You are now intentionally and knowingly making things difficult for the town. If you're truly townie, then you're not helping. You're a legit lynch for this reason. You've got no one but yourself to blame for a wasted lynch.

I concur

Vote: YLC

[Askthepizzaguy]

(Bad tally deleted, new tally posted below)

Here's your tally. Apologies for being so wordy. (See below)

I am wondering what the case against Sigurd is, will do more reading to see. I don't believe YLC is acting anything less than like himself. Given the two top candidates, I don't see why my support is necessary.

I want the lurkers gone.

Vote: Ignoramus. (Added to tally above)

Post count as of this post:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Askthepizzaguy 84
GeneralHankerchief 46
Sasaki Kojiro 45
187Beefyz 42
Andres 37
777Ares777 35
TinCow 35
YLC 32
shlin28 24
LittleGrizzly 24
Seamus Fermanagh 22
Reenk Roink 19
White_eyes:D 18
seireikhaan 15
Quintus.JC 15
Sigurd 14
CountArach 13
TevashSzat 12
Chaotix27 12
boudica 12
Psychonaut 12
Gaius Scribonius Curio 12
Lord Winter 12
Jolt 11
Tratorix 9
glyphz 9
taka 7
Ichigo 5
Ignoramus 3

And so therefore, I have my selection. 3 posts is not enough. Not everyone can/should be me, but 3 is far too little a contribution for me to accept from a townie.
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I would also suggest that such a large bandwagon is not necessary. If anything should happen to change your minds, there is no way to prevent lynching either Sigurd or YLC.

[naut]

Wow, ATPG you post almost four posts a page on average! I barely make a post every three. I feel emasculated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wonder if people should even talk directly to me in the thread. I feel compelled to answer, and I hear from many and totally understand that it's tiresome to see me post so much.

Psychonaut/Rythmic: Don't worry about it. Just contribute to the discussion, vote, and respond to questioning when applicable, and you're doing well in my book. Just give me something to analyze, basically.

Tally above updated to reflect fixing of errors and QJC's vote.



EDIT: Tally above still had errors in it. Doing a hand recount now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:

Sigurd: 6 - Sasaki Kojiro, Andres, Gaius Scribonius Curio, glyphz, taka, Reenk Roink

YLC: 5 - TevashSzat, Chaotix27, Ignoramus, QJC, YLC

Jolt: 1 - LittleGrizzly

Taka: 1 - Psychonaut,

Reenk Roink: 1 - Sigurd

Psychonaut (Rythmic): 1 - Seamus Fermanagh

LittleGrizzly: 1 - Jolt

Ignoramus: 1 - Askthepizzaguy

I recounted, because using other people's tallies as a reference led to several errors, my fault.

Will do counts from the top from now on. Feel free to recheck.

I triple-checked the tally. It is a valid tally.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We have a lot of players voting without posting more than a minim.

taka, iggy, psycho, even glyphz all fit this profile

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have an idea, I don't know if anyone would think it's a good one. It's in spoilers.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The premise: We can trust the people who were dead while there were two murders.

That is absolute proof that they were not mafia, and that they were townies. Everyone else is a suspect. There are 2 or 3 mafia remaining, I believe one of the mafia were killed but they could be trying to mess with us. Don't see why but it is technically possible.


So: We ask the dead people who we should lynch. No one votes until they tell us. Then, the living players vote to lynch said people. If we lose the game, it will not be due to mafia coercion and interference.

I'd be willing to consider the dead from this point on also most likely innocent. If one mafia sneaks in, we just need to get the Godfather dead anyway, and the other proven innocents outnumber him.

If this is against the rules or otherwise unpalatable, I withdraw the suggested strategy. But I put it forward for consideration.

[TinCow]

If you want a deader opinion, lynch YLC. At this point, too much time has expired to bother trying to lynch anyone but Sigurd or YLC. There's no way to move enough votes to make that happen, so it's just a question between the two. Both have had suspicious behavior, but a lot of the early voting on Sigurd was due to his inactivity. The voting has caused him to post several times in response, and I honestly don't see anything in those posts which seems lynch-worthy. Pressure should be kept on Sigurd to remain active in future rounds, but the only reason to lynch him now is his inactivity. That seems to me like people are simply scared of him because of his recent victory, and that is a bad reason to lynch someone.

YLC, on the other hand, has essentially spent the entire day phase spewing WIFOM. That's a perfectly valid reason to lynch him. So, if it comes down to a choice between Sigurd and YLC, I would recommend YLC.

[Askthepizzaguy]

People we can trust (right?)

Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow- Suggests to kill YLC
Ichigo

No trusty (until there's two murders again)
Lord Winter (Probably mafia. By the way, I put the deciding vote on him, so yay me.)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

I'll start taking PMs now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think Sigurd was guilty, but we'll see. He should know better than to lurk after his recent games.

I'd be surprised if the mafia didn't murder me tonight. I mean, what if I were the detective and this bluff is keeping you from murdering me? Only way to find out is to kill me.

I've nudged all the dead folks for their opinion in the coming rounds. I suggest we listen to their opinions at the very least. I have reason to believe YLC is innocent, but I do not have proof, and I will not stand in the way of his lynch next round.

[Quintus.JC]

Lord Winter (Probably mafia. By the way, I put the deciding vote on him, so yay me.)

It's a bit early to tell ain't it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If the mafia missed a murder, then the next time there are 2 murders, we can trust Lord Winter again.

The mafia missing a murder is hardly a bad thing anyway. They gain nothing by doing an intentional gambit. I don't believe it's proven there are only 2 left, so we should assume that there are 3, but we need to assume we cannot trust Lord Winter to be safe.

If the mafia is intentionally not murdering, that's good for town. If the mafia is Lord Winter, that's also good.

Bottom line: Doesn't matter. It's good for town in all 3 cases. We are safest to ignore Lord Winter until there are 2 murders again.

[Quintus.JC]

True say, true say.

Inactive mafioso also is a possibility, but what you say makes sense. Less murders at night could only be helpful towards the town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I have an idea, I don't know if anyone would think it's a good one. It's in spoilers.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The premise: We can trust the people who were dead while there were two murders.

That is absolute proof that they were not mafia, and that they were townies. Everyone else is a suspect. There are 2 or 3 mafia remaining, I believe one of the mafia were killed but they could be trying to mess with us. Don't see why but it is technically possible.


So: We ask the dead people who we should lynch. No one votes until they tell us. Then, the living players vote to lynch said people. If we lose the game, it will not be due to mafia coercion and interference.

I'd be willing to consider the dead from this point on also most likely innocent. If one mafia sneaks in, we just need to get the Godfather dead anyway, and the other proven innocents outnumber him.

If this is against the rules or otherwise unpalatable, I withdraw the suggested strategy. But I put it forward for consideration.

So who do the dead people pick as suspicious when everyone is voting the same way?

[Askthepizzaguy]

We can still discuss who is the most likely guilty party from the activity so far, the contributions so far, the voting patterns so far, and who else we think is likely chosen as a scumbag, if it turns out Lord Winter is truly scum.

Also, I doubt we will get unanimous consent from the town to use my idea, so, we will have people doing their own thing who we can suspect. I admit the idea isn't foolproof, but what I am saying is that I am willing to vote however way the dead suggest. I am curious to see who else would be, for various reasons.

Just posting the idea should generate discussion for you to dissect, and I will continue to be highly suspicious of the lurkers.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hypocritical observation: Good to see you online during night phase again, Sasaki Kojiro.







edit:
Be back for next voting phase tomorrow.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 4

Everyone was distracted while voting in the Gameroom Park, their attention focused on the large salt hut looming over them and the massive glare it created by reflecting the sun's bright light. Nevertheless, the monolith-like presence of the hut did not distract them from voting, which made the guy with the boombox, observing it all, very glad.

Voting from the start focused on two people: YLC, who seemed to be daring people to vote for him, and Sigurd, who apparently had this shifty look about him. Perhaps it was just the villagers of the Gameroom not being used to his scary black robes as opposed to his usual viking attire. Whatever the reason, Sigurd garnered a lot of votes.

At the end of the day, Chief of Police shlin28, who had been bathing in the pond for most of the day and being accompanied by three beautiful "aides" while doing so, exited the pond, had his "aides" dry him off, and then made his way over to the tally booth, where he read the votes and pointed over at Sigurd.

"You", he said, "get in the hut."

As Sigurd trudged over to the hut, muttering to himself that it was "too early to yell at people for being quiet", shlin skipped over to the forklift, climbing in and starting the engine.

"All right Sigurd," he yelled over the engine, "As previously described, I will now forklift this hut you're in and drop you in the pond. Now, eventually physics will take over and you will slowly be crushed by water and the dissolving salt. However, I am not a cruel overlor-er... Chief of Police," he said, catching himself. "If you manage to get out I will let you live another day... good luck with that, though."

shlin drove the forklift over to the hut, lifted it up, and dropped the whole thing in the pond. While all this was happening, Sigurd was thinking to himself.

"Wow," he said to himself, "I can't believe I have an out! If I can just get free of this hut, I'll live another day! Now, I can't simply swim downward and out, because I don't want to risk blacking out because of the increased pressure... I know! I'll lick my way through!"

And so, as shlin dropped the hut into the pond, Sigurd started licking like he never did before. For a while, it wasn't so bad. But eventually, his tongue got tired. And the salt mixing with water was not a very good combination. He fought through the pain, however, believing that anything was better than death.

As the salt hut around him gradually dissolved both to the natural solvent of the pond water as well as his licking, Sigurd felt a new kind of pain, one that wasn't physical so much as all throughout his body. Grimacing, gasping for air, Sigurd continued to fight. Despite everything, he was making significant progress. The town was all gathered around the pond, watching eagerly to see if he could pull it off.

Time passed. Sigurd, fighting through immense pain, continued licking. The salt hut was all but gone now.

"How much salt do you think he's consumed?" one person asked.

"Dunno, but it can't be healthy," another replied.

The conversation was quickly cut off as somebody gasped. The salt hut was gone. Sigurd was alive, surviving the pressure, and was beginning to swim to the edge of the pond! Sure, his strokes were slow and not really "flowy" at all... but still, he was about to survive a lynch! Despite this, shlin seemed unperturbed that his plan was being thwarted.

As Sigurd's hand reached the grass and gripped dry land, everybody cheered, forgetting that they had condemned him to die only a few hours earlier. The cheering only got louder as the second hand gripped dry land and as Sigurd pulled himself entirely out of the pond.

However, it was not to be. Sigurd stood up, staggered... and then collapsed, sliding back into the pond. This time there was no attempt to get out, and Sigurd floated, motionless, on the water's surface.

"High blood pressure from too much salt intake," shlin explained to the crowd, smirking. "I told him he would either die by physics or biology. He took the biology route. Good night, all."

Day 4 tally:

Sigurd: 6 (Andres, Sasaki Kojiro, Gaius Scribonius Curio, glyphz, taka, Reenk Roink)
YLC: 5 (Quintus.JC, Chaotix27, TevashSzat, YLC, Ignoramus)
Jolt: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
taka: 1 (Psychonaut)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Sigurd)
Psychonaut: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Jolt)
Ignoramus: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)

Abstained: 3 (shlin28, 187Beefyz, White_eyes:D)
Didn't vote: 1 (777Ares777)

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Still alive: (20)
shlin28
YLC
777Ares777
Andres
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Rythmic
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
187Beefyz
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
Jolt
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ignoramus
Askthepizzaguy
Sasaki Kojiro

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd

[TinCow]

So who do the dead people pick as suspicious when everyone is voting the same way?

Decent lynch options for next round, as far as I am concerned:

YLC - Same reasons as today
ATPG - Playing up his excessive talking as proof of his innocence. Doing this every game doesn't make it less scummy.
Quintus.JC - Happily bandwagoning on multiple votes, without contributing much of substance. Would be a decent pick as a grunt as well.
glyphz - Lurker, get him talking.
taka - Lurker, get him talking.
LittleGrizzly - Jumped on my write-up profile early and has held on for dear life, even after everyone else has moved on to other evidence. Also a decent pick for a grunt.
Ignoramus - Lurker, get him talking

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I admit the idea isn't foolproof, but what I am saying is that I am willing to vote however way the dead suggest. I am curious to see who else would be, for various reasons.

No one cares about you attempts to prove your own innocence. That's not the job of a townie. Chill out and focus on finding mafia

[Andres]

Why did you post a green balloon?