Sab'yn Status

[MeinPanzer]

I recently got a hold of "Warfare in Ancient South Arabia: 2nd - 3rd c. AD" by A.F.L. Beeston, which is an annotated collection of epigraphical sources relating to warfare from the specified time period. This was the first time that details of campaigns were given in dedications, and so these reveal quite a bit of information about warfare in general. Are you making use of these sources for the Sabaeans in EBII? Of course, this relates to a period chronologically removed from the EB timeframe, but it seems that few elements of South Arabian warfare changed in the mean time, so much of the information is still very relevant.

[paullus]

that sounds like an excellent source, i'll look into it.

[Moros]

Ibrahim: sorry for my absence but my internet was broken, and today it's finally working again.

[Ibrahim]

Ibrahim: sorry for my absence but my internet was broken, and today it's finally working again.

no hurry here. been busy lately.

[Ibrahim]

hey Moros!

I have managed to finally get the preposition collection finished; I'm sending it to organize word searches and grammar. the idea I hope is that we can cut up the languages so to speak, and look each part up, saving time, and more importantly, effort, for future work. I started with this paper: it details all prepositions used in Sabaean. It should help you with looking for those. the next time round I'll try to send pronouns:


http://files.filefront.com/prepositi.../fileinfo.html

again, you have to find them in the library dictionary, as I have none.

[Moros]

great, I've not been doing much on sabaic lately because of other EB research and because of a paper I'm having to write. Will get you an update shortly though.

[Moros]

I recently got a hold of "Warfare in Ancient South Arabia: 2nd - 3rd c. AD" by A.F.L. Beeston, which is an annotated collection of epigraphical sources relating to warfare from the specified time period. This was the first time that details of campaigns were given in dedications, and so these reveal quite a bit of information about warfare in general. Are you making use of these sources for the Sabaeans in EBII? Of course, this relates to a period chronologically removed from the EB timeframe, but it seems that few elements of South Arabian warfare changed in the mean time, so much of the information is still very relevant.

Found the book. Gonna read it after I've finished my little paper which I need to turn in this friday.

[athanaric]

Is it decided yet whether the Arabian and Sabaic units will keep their javelins? I have heard some people here (at least Ibrahim) say that they didn't use javelins during the EB timeframe.

Btw.: Anyone else notice the change in Moros' signature?

[Ibrahim]

Is it decided yet whether the Arabian and Sabaic units will keep their javelins? I have heard some people here (at least Ibrahim) say that they didn't use javelins during the EB timeframe.

Btw.: Anyone else notice the change in Moros' signature?

me and Meinpanzer actually*. And no, I don't know what the EB team thinks. but if recommendations are followed, units native to Arabia won't have javelins (ethiopeian? sure, give them such). this is because there is no evidence of such a weapon, either in stelae, or in the literature, in the hands of an Arabian* (whether from saba' or the Arabs)

and yes, Moros' sig has changed; he is advertising a new, unknown faction. I'm wondering what it is.

*Actually, meinpanzer was the one who explained it for Saba'. he noted that, while they may have been used, bows predominated (as missile weapons). It was a PM. but there is no conclusive evidence, for Saba' at least, that javelins were used.

*mentioned with ehiopeians, and by the 7th century, in yemeni hands.

[Nirvanish]

I'm sure that someone has seen this already but I figured I would post it anyways.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/arabia1.html
It gives accounts of "Arabia" from Herodotus, Strabo, Dio Cassius, Ammianus Marcellinus and Procopius. Though the accuracy should no doubt be in question it maybe of some interest to anyone working on Sab'yn.

[Ibrahim]

I'm sure that someone has seen this already but I figured I would post it anyways.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/arabia1.html
It gives accounts of "Arabia" from Herodotus, Strabo, Dio Cassius, Ammianus Marcellinus and Procopius. Though the accuracy should no doubt be in question it maybe of some interest to anyone working on Sab'yn.

its ok when viewed in greek eyes, but ignore the modern annotations.

[Nirvanish]

Yeah I don't think those annotations were necessary. If I find anything else that appears relevant I will post it.

[Moros]

me and Meinpanzer actually*. And no, I don't know what the EB team thinks. but if recommendations are followed, units native to Arabia won't have javelins (ethiopeian? sure, give them such). this is because there is no evidence of such a weapon, either in stelae, or in the literature, in the hands of an Arabian* (whether from saba' or the Arabs)

and yes, Moros' sig has changed; he is advertising a new, unknown faction. I'm wondering what it is.

*Actually, meinpanzer was the one who explained it for Saba'. he noted that, while they may have been used, bows predominated (as missile weapons). It was a PM. but there is no conclusive evidence, for Saba' at least, that javelins were used.

*mentioned with ehiopeians, and by the 7th century, in yemeni hands.

After some more reading and concepting the outline of the Sabaean army together with paullus, I can tell you that there will be javelins. Though not sure if there gonna be that many. Probably for peasant levies and light cavalry.

[MeinPanzer]

After some more reading and concepting the outline of the Sabaean army together with paullus, I can tell you that there will be javelins. Though not sure if there gonna be that many. Probably for peasant levies and light cavalry.

What evidence did you find that supported the use of javelins, especially for light cavalry?

[Moros]

What evidence did you find that supported the use of javelins, especially for light cavalry?

For example the book of Beeston. Who mentions cavalry harassing enemies. The bow on the other hand will be mostly reserved for elite units. As shown in warrior freezes.