The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-14-2009, 07:21

No, White_Eyes, it's OK. Seriously.

I just have grown weary of people who don't know for a fact that Reenk and Tevash aren't scum posting in a condescending fashion about how wrong I am, and about how horrible my analyses are, when I have a track record that, while imperfect, actually says otherwise.

I've been discussed to death, and it's OVER. I'm done! I had fun, but now we are beating a dead horse. Either lynch Tevash, or lynch me. I'm beyond caring at this point. I will come back later and continue doing my work for town if I die, and I'll shut up if I am a dead mafia, so you will know. No apologies necessary, let's turn the game forward. Tevash is afraid to die, I'm not.

Vote.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-14-2009, 07:45

My track record, in case anyone cares.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

So, thats 12 or more mafia (or hostile-to-me targets) destroyed/detected out of 12 games I've been in, and hints at who the real scum are in at least one game when I was scum. My analysis is worthless. Thank you.

Edit: GH tells me he won't end the round even if I get 7 votes, because he's supposed to be impartial. I understand, and withdraw my offer. Doesn't matter anyway.

**Gaius Scribonius Curio** · 02-14-2009, 11:07

All I'm going to add to my last post is that Tevash's defense seems fairly solid to me. Based on that, and the fact that my attitude hasn't really changed since yesterday...

Vote: Abstain

**Thermal** · 02-14-2009, 13:17

just to clarify, sasaki told me i forgot to unvote

so unvote, vote: abstain

sorry for any confusion

**Reenk Roink** · 02-14-2009, 13:37

I can't believe your guys are putting faith in a system that has been frankly, ripped to shreds in almost every way.

You say Atpg is probably not Mafia?

Fine. I say that doesn't make him innocent at all and he is being an awful townie.

Atpg doesn't even bother addressing me calling out his inconsistencies and my charge of him construing every one of my posts and actions in an ad hoc manner and then using buzzwords such as "logic" when he either misunderstands the term or uses it so loosely to refer to a way of reasoning (not to mention that the contradictions in his post make it look worse) and now his favorite word "scummy" because he has no substance to refute my points.

TevashSzat is probably an innocent man, I already owe him for my work in Scourge of Ephesus, and everything he has done so far makes him look even more innocent. I will defend him like I defend Beefy.

Atpg got himself into this situation, but he unfortunately dragged Tevash into it too. Please redress this wrong and lynch the one detrimental to our cause. Lynch Atpg.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I just have grown weary of people who don't know for a fact that Reenk and Tevash aren't scum posting in a condescending fashion about how wrong I am, and about how horrible my analyses are, when I have a track record that, while imperfect, actually says otherwise.

Your "track record" is horribly misguided. For one, you claim "victories" when you really didn't do anything. Case in point with QJC in Fillet Royale. Do you realize how tenuous your claim of "grilling QJC" was? It did nothing to add to my suspicion of him to be quite honest. I already knew that the Mafia must be either QJC or YLC beforehand, and had decided that QJC was the better choice beforehand as well.

Add to that you "confirming" I was innocent.

Sorry Atpg, but nearly everyone at that point realized I was The Watcher, as the gradual letters were designed to do that. You take far too much credit here.

In Family Guy you say you nailed Rythmic and then second guessed yourself and voted otherwise, but claim Rythmic as a "victory" anyway?

Come on Atpg, anyone can say at the end "I had suspicions of such and such" it's so weak.

In Whispers of the Night, the town didn't follow your lead to lynch glyphz much at all. The reason that glyphz and shlin were on the cutting block is because everyone else had revealed. And then shlin revealed. So it went down to glyphz. Recall that glyphz got very little voting support when you made your case against him, and only after shlin was eliminated as a suspect.

The Prometheus case is just sad if true? You actually intended to put clues and did put clues against your own partner?!?

Remind me of that fact when I get the chance to pick partners...

I'm sorry, but I will say it's a bit self centered to associate such importance of your system in those games. Your track record is no better or no worse than random guessing, which is what I would expect from any method of analysis. Add to this that your method is essentially using Mafia cliches like lurking, 3rd on the bandwagon, and the good old misguided behavior changes to draw conclusions. It's epistemic value is not high.

I'm sorry if my criticisms of your system seem harsh Atpg (recall that I encouraged you to play in your way and still do), but you must be ready to accept it, especially when your system criticizes others wrongly and promotes itself as the best method. Don't act like the victim Atpg, you have brought this on yourself.

I've been discussed to death, and it's OVER. I'm done! I had fun, but now we are beating a dead horse. Either lynch Tevash, or lynch me. I'm beyond caring at this point. I will come back later and continue doing my work for town if I die, and I'll shut up if I am a dead mafia, so you will know. No apologies necessary, let's turn the game forward. Tevash is afraid to die, I'm not.

If you weren't afraid to die, unvote Tevash. In fact, vote yourself right now. You say you are more than willing to do it later anyway, so why not now?

**shlin28** · 02-14-2009, 14:20

I got an idea... why don't we lynch ATPG this round, then lynch Tevash next round? Its not like delaying a lynch is gonna make the town lose... this is just like the plan ATPG proposed, but the other way round. (ATPG is trying to force my side (Sasaki, Tevash etc) to compromise, but why don't you compromise first?

As for my "worthless" analysises (according to ATPG...), I've never been good at those things, I just get along trying to be as least suspcious as possible in the thread, not doing much. Only when I get a role do I get relatively active and gets paranoid -(See my constant reassurances to the town that I will be back in X hours in Whispers in the Night). I just play mafia for the heck of it and for fun

and a Rebuttal to his evil Wallz of Textz:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

If that's the best you have to offer, Shlin, and you don't give better suspects soon, my opinion of your skills as town or mafia will have diminished. And you're registering higher on the scumdar with each post. Fair warning, my friend.

I'm just wondering why you think trying to become CoP is suspicious. CoPs have pratically NO powers whatsoever - especially as they will be scrutinesed extenisvely due to their status. Sure the candidates/winner needs to be thoroughly vetted, but get lynched just because of what they did during the elections? As for suspects, I'm just doing what I normally do.

To be fair, my specific criticism of you is that you're defensive, quick to judge me, you're dismissive and sarcastic. What are you hiding? You have every right to criticize me, and disagree. I just think you made a poor case against me, gave a scummy defense, and have been disastrously wrong so far. Plus you got support from people I consider scum. No proof, just interesting.

So if I protect someone you suspect, I muse be scum...? Does that mean I can accuse you of being scummy because you helped YLC/others?

You're not doing a good job as Police Chief. I recommend you be lynched before the game is over. You're mostly just joking around, and your analysis is lacking, and your suspects are easy marks. You're not putting forth effort, and that galls me to no end, buddy.

The CoP has no powers apart from deciding lynch method (useless strategically wise) and be immune from kills - what the hell I'm I supposed to do with that?

The only good job I can do is do good lynch write-ups, and I think I'm doing very well at that. Even if I was not CoP, I would still behave the same way (minus the pompous entrances and equally pompous exits...).

Anyway, I don't have to make this post, I could just ignore this and keep playing the normaly way, especially as I am in no way threatened to be lynched. BUT, I choose to make this post because I feel that Tevash' treatment is unjustified and your suspicions on me are groundless.

PS: If it doesn't make any sense, I wrote in a hurry, so sorry in advance.

PS 2: I'm just basing this on the top of my head, I didn't actually look back in the thread, so any inconsitencies that are found are my mistakes

**Andres** · 02-14-2009, 14:22

I've read about 100 posts (yes, I wasn't online yesterday evening) on frickin' Valentine's Day (in the meanwhile letting my lovely wife wait for me) because the host was concerned about things getting too heated.

It was not a fun read. In fact, I'm considering to commit suicide in this game (apologies to GH, this has nothing to do with the quality of the host, you know I hold you in very high regard, good sir

) based on what I've seen.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My track record, in case anyone cares.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

So, thats 12 or more mafia (or hostile-to-me targets) destroyed/detected out of 12 games I've been in, and hints at who the real scum are in at least one game when I was scum. My analysis is worthless. Thank you.

Edit: GH tells me he won't end the round even if I get 7 votes, because he's supposed to be impartial. I understand, and withdraw my offer. Doesn't matter anyway.

There is a reason why there will never be a 'ranking system' as long as I have something to say about Gameroom policy. Competition brings out the worst in people. The Gameroom is NOT a place where we compete and I find it bad taste to sum up ones' merits like that.

We are here to have fun, not to compare penis length.

I will now log out (yes, that's what I do when I get angry, to avoid typing things I shouldn't type, maybe it's a tactic some of you should consider as well) and will think before I decide whether or not to suicide from this game.

Thank you for paying attention to your boring moderator.

EDIT: a while ago, Sigurd spent a whole lot of time making this thread. I suggest you honor his efforts by reading it, especially numbers 2, 3 and 6 under the section "General Rules and Advice". Thanks in advance.

**shlin28** · 02-14-2009, 14:37

Understand Andres

Please don't leave this game! It won't be the same without you! As the local CoP, I can make it worth your while to stay! Pretty please?

**Chaotix** · 02-14-2009, 18:11

I said I would keep this game tied, and I will do everything in my power to keep it that way. We do not have to lynch either of them.

Vote: TevashSzat

Tally:

Tevash: 6 (Chaotix27, Ignoramus, Taka, Psychonaut, ATPG, YLC)
ATPG: 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, TevashSzat, White_eyes, Reenk Roink, Beefy, Seamus)

Abstaining: Ares, Gaius (possibly others, I didn't check previous pages)

**shlin28** · 02-14-2009, 18:16

How would you know they would both survive? As far as I recall GH has said nothing cocerning what happens after the tie vote.

In light of Tevash's reveal, I suggest we lynch ATPG and then see if Tevash gets killed. If we let them get into the murky terriotaries of what happens when they are still tied after this extended round of voting... maybe BOTH may be lynched. Who knows?

Edit: Didn't Khaan kinda claimed detective already? :S

**Andres** · 02-14-2009, 18:19

Chaotix27, did you see Tevashzats' role reveal?

Vote : Askthepizzaguy

1) I don't want to lynch a possible detective;
2) ATPG still looks scummy to me;
3) Tevashzat never struck me as guilty. The somewhat aggressive tone he used to defend himself is not out of the ordinary. In fact, I've seen him posting like that before when under pressure as a townie.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 02-14-2009, 18:27

For the record, if the game stays tied after the deadline passes, then the round stays extended until the tie gets broken.

Since I won't have enough time to write anything before I leave, the round will conclude in a few hours.

**Reenk Roink** · 02-14-2009, 18:40

I believe Tevash (sorry on behalf of the town it came to this).

Please please please try to investigate Seamus as soon as night comes. I don't know if GH is still doing the realism thing but if your order goes in before the Mafia you will get your result sooner. I think Seamus is a bad guy, let's see if he's a grunt or not.

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