Boy fathers child at twelve and girl at fourteen

[caravel]

Indeed... routine castration is now the only answer among the chav hordes. When you have a culture that is geared towards reproduction as a means by which to remain on state benefits for life, it is only logical and hardly surprising when such things occur.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Indeed... routine castration is now the only answer among the chav hordes. When you have a culture that is geared towards reproduction as a means by which to remain on state benefits for life, it is only logical and hardly surprising when such things occur.

I suppose that is the common sense solution, but the word inhuman comes to mind. It's unethical IMO.

What you bring up is other good point - the benefits system also needs reforming - in my eyes there should be no money, you get paid in coupons with which you can buy food, enough for your household to survive, and other essentials (toilet paper, soap e.c.t.) only. Clothing coupon should be given out separately each quarter. Other bills should be paid for, but only up to a certain value, this value considering the population of the home, to prevent people getting extravagant with their electrics, heating, phone and water. If they do exceed the value, they get what happens to anybody who doesn't bother to pay their bills and get cut off. They are of course welcome to use their own savings to pay any excess and buy whatever they like otherwise. Those who have actually been in employment before or in between claiming benefit should get provided with coupons/bill paying amounts which have an additional value of 0.25% per year they've been working (e.g. Bob's been working twenty years and is now on benefits - he gets 5% more than Sharon who has never worked in her whole life).

Child benefits should be similar, although they maybe should provide coupons spendable not only on the usual food and clothes, but also on toys, games and other things that a child will want to help bring them up.

Applying this to the "kid for benefit" ideology, parents' unconditional (as in no need to search for a job) benefit should end eventually forcing parents to find work/get an education (with government support) the moment free schooling becomes available for their first child (aged 4). Have another child, tough on you - the government shouldn't use having a second child as an excuse to avoid work - you had the child, you deal with the consequences. Child benefit should be provided to this infant though, even though unconditional benefit is removed.

All people on conditional benefit should have the choice between getting qualifications to improve their employability if they lack them or job hunting, them being forced into the former after two/three years of job hunting. If they come off benefit and then go back on, they should have half the time they've been off benefit to find themselves a job plus any time they had left before going into education before before being forced into education. Choosing/being forced into the education route allows benefits to continue as long as attendance at the establishment is retained, it being stopped the moment an illegitimate reason for lack of attendance is found.

As well as perhaps stopping this benefit culture, it may also stop individuals who are spending their benefits money on things such as cigarettes and alcohol which are commodities not to be enjoyed by those who are so desperate that they have to turn to the state for help.

That's probably a little too detailed, but you get the point anyhow.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Such things have happened throughout history.

However, these sorts of things were or at least seemed to be VERY much less frequent when such behavior led to public ostracism, sneering, and belittlement.

With those involved NOT becoming social pariahs, it appears to be that such things are more frequent.

Is there a lesson there?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Such things have happened throughout history.

However, these sorts of things were or at least seemed to be VERY much less frequent when such behavior led to public ostracism, sneering, and belittlement.

With those involved NOT becoming social pariahs, it appears to be that such things are more frequent.

Is there a lesson there?

Perhaps, but not a useful one. The Chav underclass is quite happy with itself, the rest of us sneer. I saw something on television a while back to the effect that intellectuals and the media have been telling us that we are all liberated and laid back about social mores, bad language etc., but that the truth is that we are not.

I suggest the child be taken into care now, before any damage can be done to it.