Tried to rob the wrong house....

[Papewaio]

Video clip was interesting.

The reporters surname Merino is a bred of sheep in Australia.

I think retreating would be once they have stopped firing and have left the premises. There is no indication that the car isn't going to do a ram raid or other action until it has left.

Lethal response to protect ones life, I can buy that argument. Protecting bricks and mortar, I don't think merits a lethal response. We can't resurrect someone with insurance, not even bandit Jesus in the video clip. However insurance will cover any property damage, so pay up the insurance, new for old and let the bandits in, while you escape out the back... then do a Keyser Söze and molotov the house with the perps inside if you must.

As for family, well guns are tools and should be taught with the proper respect. But just like cars they can also endanger the users and the families that use them. They are not automatically a safer overall option to have.

[Xiahou]

I think retreating would be once they have stopped firing and have left the premises. There is no indication that the car isn't going to do a ram raid or other action until it has left.

Indeed. Maybe they went to the car to regroup, rearm or get moltov cocktails- who knows? I don't have any problem with someone continuing to fire until the criminal has left the premises. The only time I think the homeowner may have gone too far is those instances where they chases their attackers down the street with guns blazing.

[Husar]

Well, of course you have to be afraid of a ram attack if you have one of those american cardbox houses that almost collapse when someone sneezes.

The rest seems a bit far-fetched, like they would rearm 5 meters away from the armed homeowner and to get a molotow cocktail out of the car there is no need to have four people firmly planted on the seats of the car.

[Xiahou]

like they would rearm 5 meters away from the armed homeowner

I think you get the point then. By continuing to engage his attackers until they have fled the area, he made certain that they weren't up to anything else. Had he just hunkered down inside his house when they ran for the car he would've given up the initiative allowing them to regroup if they decided to. The homeowner made sure that wasn't a possibility.

[Idaho]

I think you get the point then. By continuing to engage his attackers until they have fled the area, he made certain that they weren't up to anything else. Had he just hunkered down inside his house when they ran for the car he would've given up the initiative allowing them to regroup if they decided to. The homeowner made sure that wasn't a possibility.

You yanks are hilarious. If someone in this country talked about the armed defence of their home like this people would assume they were mad or joking. We are so far away from the kind of thinking and gun prevalance that precipitate discussing skirmish tactics in a domestic setting. If you lot want to live in a state of tooled up seige - then go for it. It makes our insane obsession with CCTV seem pleasantly comic in comparason.

[Husar]

You yanks are hilarious. If someone in this country talked about the armed defence of their home like this people would assume they were mad or joking. We are so far away from the kind of thinking and gun prevalance that precipitate discussing skirmish tactics in a domestic setting. If you lot want to live in a state of tooled up seige - then go for it. It makes our insane obsession with CCTV seem pleasantly comic in comparason.

Now that you say it, I agree, as much as I'd like to defend my life with desperate measures, I'd prefer living in a country where that isn't really necessary in the first place.

[KukriKhan]

Now that you say it, I agree, as much as I'd like to defend my life with desperate measures, I'd prefer living in a country where that isn't really necessary in the first place.

... because every resident is watched every moment of every day in every activity to insure "peace", and compliance with the collective good, as determined by Substantial Sibling.

[Idaho]

... because every resident is watched every moment of every day in every activity to insure "peace", and compliance with the collective good, as determined by Substantial Sibling.

Most of the CCTV stuff is completely pointless. 99.9% of it is never watched. The remaining .1% is evenly split between footage of crimes, which are rarely helped by the images, and footage of people having sex in public places.

[Husar]

... because every resident is watched every moment of every day in every activity to insure "peace", and compliance with the collective good, as determined by Substantial Sibling.

Oh, I'm not in favor of CCTV, apparently the UK also has a crime problem despite that.
Surely Germany also has crime but I don't know anyone here who would need a gun to feel relatively safe. Apparently that is not the case in the US. Wouldn't you like to have a gun but also know that you will probably never need it?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Wouldn't you like to have a gun but also know that you will probably never need it?

I think that is how the vast majority of Americans feel.

[KukriKhan]

Oh, I'm not in favor of CCTV, apparently the UK also has a crime problem despite that.
Surely Germany also has crime but I don't know anyone here who would need a gun to feel relatively safe. Apparently that is not the case in the US. Wouldn't you like to have a gun but also know that you will probably never need it?

That is precisely were I stand.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

America according to Idaho:



Americans according to Idaho:

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Ok...that last picture is actually completely accurate

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[Idaho]

It's not so much my view - but the view you terrify yourselves with. The mentality that discusses "home defence" with automatic weapons.

[rory_20_uk]

In the UK we stab people. In the USA they shoot each other. Seems like they're happy with the death rate the way it is.

Bit to be honest it's as much the people as it is the weaponry.