New Gameplay Video (16th Feb)

**CBR** · 02-17-2009, 15:20

Oh I'm pretty sure I understand why. Call me pessimistic or a cynic but based on the vids seen so far they are still busy getting battles to work properly. Remember how the first M2TW demo had bugged movements and CA actually released a second demo some time after that with some fixes.

It seems to me that the release delay was not done to make it more polished but it was simply time needed just to get it sorta OK.

But all that is of course guesswork and we will be a lot wiser in 2 weeks time.

CBR

**Fisherking** · 02-17-2009, 15:37

Originally Posted by CBR

Oh I'm pretty sure I understand why. Call me pessimistic or a cynic but based on the vids seen so far they are still busy getting battles to work properly. Remember how the first M2TW demo had bugged movements and CA actually released a second demo some time after that with some fixes.

It seems to me that the release delay was not done to make it more polished but it was simply time needed just to get it sorta OK.

But all that is of course guesswork and we will be a lot wiser in 2 weeks time.

CBR

Yes and at this rate we will be downloading the changes to the manual and last minute code changes to the game….and the demo will be out in May…

**Sir Beane** · 02-17-2009, 18:07

The video is down, removed due to a copyright claim by Sega. Looks like we weren't meant to see it. Odd.

**Barkhorn1x** · 02-17-2009, 18:27

Originally Posted by Sir Beane

The video is down, removed due to a copyright claim by Sega. Looks like we weren't meant to see it. Odd.

Not so odd really as it wasn't at all an authorized release and SEGA is well within their rights to remove it. Happens on Youtube all the time.

I am going to be an optimist here (

) and think the following until shown wrong:

- All of the vids we've seen so far have featured old code so they are not remotely close to the finished product
- The delay from mid Feb until March 4th was needed to get some extra polish time in there and the game ships on the 4th as a finished and polished product
- The demo was delayed to incorporate the latest gold code and when we see it later this week we will be astounded by how good it is.

(...and that's all I have to say about that!)

**Sir Beane** · 02-17-2009, 20:57

Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x

Not so odd really as it wasn't at all an authorized release and SEGA is well within their rights to remove it. Happens on Youtube all the time.

I am going to be an optimist here (

) and think the following until shown wrong:

- All of the vids we've seen so far have featured old code so they are not remotely close to the finished product
- The delay from mid Feb until March 4th was needed to get some extra polish time in there and the game ships on the 4th as a finished and polished product
- The demo was delayed to incorporate the latest gold code and when we see it later this week we will be astounded by how good it is.

(...and that's all I have to say about that!)

Go optimism!

The 'odd' comment was more about how it was odd somebody had obtained a gameplay video that I haven't seen anywhere else. I wonder how they got it? Afterall it wasn't like anything we have seen before. I also think that the commentary had the feeling of being done by an amateur (bad microphone for one thing).

**Barkhorn1x** · 02-17-2009, 18:20

Originally Posted by CBR

Oh I'm pretty sure I understand why. Call me pessimistic or a cynic but based on the vids seen so far they are still busy getting battles to work properly. Remember how the first M2TW demo had bugged movements and CA actually released a second demo some time after that with some fixes.

It seems to me that the release delay was not done to make it more polished but it was simply time needed just to get it sorta OK.

But all that is of course guesswork and we will be a lot wiser in 2 weeks time.

CBR

You may be correct, but I just find it hard to believe that there wasn't some type of go/no go meeting in late January and they took a look at the remaining items list/bug list*** and figured that they needed to delay a couple of weeks until March 4th to finish/polish and squash the bugs. I mean, how can experienced game developers not know that their baby is far from ready?

And could they really think that getting it, "sorta OK" would be acceptable?

***But then again, I am always kind of shocked that what must be major known bugs are allowed to slide by. And how do we know that these bugs are known? Because it takes the gaming public all of about 1 day to identify them.

**CBR** · 02-17-2009, 19:33

Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x

I mean, how can experienced game developers not know that their baby is far from ready?

We all experienced RTW didn't we? The battle engine was basically a beta: memory leak, bugged group movement etc etc, oh and the primary/secondary weapon stat bug that took a few months before modders spotted that (but nonetheless a quite serious bug) MP was of course screwed with replays not working and at first did not even have a server that could handle more than 30 people.

After such a debacle it was clear someone saw terms like "ready" and "acceptable" in a very different light than others.

I certainly hope ETW will not be the same, actually I doubt it can be that bad. But can anyone be blamed for being pessimistic?

CBR