Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I am bringing it up with the other judges:

If a player gets into a box the battle should be considered a loss for that player IF the enemy is able to surround them.

This would be the result in a real battle, because no commander would assault such a monstrosity, and if they could surround it, no army could escape.

The definitions that I am giving them are that "Surrounded" would mean that at least 4 main infantry units and at least 2 other units of any type are stationary and physically touching each other to form a "ring" of sorts that encircles the "boxed" enemy.

We'll see what the judges vote on.

[IrishHitman]

I am bringing it up with the other judges:

If a player gets into a box the battle should be considered a loss for that player IF the enemy is able to surround them.

This would be the result in a real battle, because no commander would assault such a monstrosity, and if they could surround it, no army could escape.

The definitions that I am giving them are that "Surrounded" would mean that at least 4 main infantry units and at least 2 other units of any type are stationary and physically touching each other to form a "ring" of sorts that encircles the "boxed" enemy.

We'll see what the judges vote on.

I would argue in favour of a time limit before that.
A box still contains a reasonable amount of fighting power anyway, give the player a few mins to launch an attack from the box formation.

You are kidding us right??? The EB phalanxes are near invincible. Please, someone help me out here. RTW phalanxes are ultra easy to get through, while the EB ones seem to employ some sort of magic to hold back just about anything excpet heavy cavalry.

Tell that to the RTW vanilla boxes, which are pretty much invincible.
Even to heavy cav. RTW vanilla phalanx formations don't break up as easily is why.

[Potocello]

I am bringing it up with the other judges:

If a player gets into a box the battle should be considered a loss for that player IF the enemy is able to surround them.

This would be the result in a real battle, because no commander would assault such a monstrosity, and if they could surround it, no army could escape.

The definitions that I am giving them are that "Surrounded" would mean that at least 4 main infantry units and at least 2 other units of any type are stationary and physically touching each other to form a "ring" of sorts that encircles the "boxed" enemy.

We'll see what the judges vote on.

I would have to agree with this because after a while the boxed in guys would either have to attack or die of starvation or suicide or something... I think that if you make a box you have to formulate an attack or you lose.

[antisocialmunky]

I think something like this happenedi n one of the Syrian Wars(Battle of Raphia) where the Seleucids formed a box. It worked alright until the Elephants inside the box panicked.

[IrishHitman]

Potocello (Roman Republic) vs. IrishHitman (Kingdom of Makedonia)

http://www.mediafire.com/?jinlmugqzq5

Victory to IrishHitman.

A good battle, could have went either way.
Engaged the Roman line, the battle went to the flanks (as it usually does when playing with Mak), and I eventually destroyed the Roman centre, and used the remaining troops to rout the rest.

A rematch soon.

[antisocialmunky]

So what is it?
(Hellens, Draws, Romans)
3-2-0?

[Potocello]

I think these are just test games so we can work out the kinks. But Rome has defiantly won more with Tolg so i don't know that to score is.

[IrishHitman]

I think these are just test games so we can work out the kinks. But Rome has defiantly won more with Tolg so i don't know that to score is.

3-2-3 maybe?
When he played against me, it was one draw and one defeat for him.
(Thank you again Phalanx for saving my ass in the defeat of Tolg and Bure).

Anyway, the second match:
http://www.mediafire.com/?mat01xyoday

Potocello vs. IrishHitman
Same factions as the first.

Another victory for me, won in a similar way to the last one, except more emphasis on cavalry.
He attack the rear of my phalanx with infantry, my cavalry charged them, and routed them.

The third match:

Potocello (Kingdom of Makedonia) vs. IrishHitman (Roman Republic)

I was soundly beaten by Poto.
Raped would be a less polite but more accurate term.

Poto has the replay for that.

[Potocello]

Me vs Irish this was our third game. He won twice as Makedonia, I lost twice as Rome. Third game i beat Irishhitman

Here's the replay file.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LDFUR4JD

He tried to flank me but i split up my forces and isolated his two flanks. I was able to kill his general early on and hammer and anvil one of his flanks to cause a mass rout. I then moved my forces to help out the other flank and another rout was caused.

Good games to Irishhitman.

[antisocialmunky]

I'm surprised not more Romans are buying Samnites or Ligurians to act as flank guards. You have those Massilians too. Ligurians come with more men and Massilians carry swords and spears. Also don't forget Camillian Triarii are better than Polybians. :-D

Have you guys also played with those Ligurian or Campanian cavalry?

[A Very Super Market]

What. Camillan troops superior to their successors? Blasphemy!

Skirmisher cavalry is a waste. Not enough men for a rush, not enough javelins to last.

[Βελισάριος]

Wow... a lot of activity online! Excellent!

Although I must express one concern... none of the actual "Roman" players have shown any interest in these battles. So far it's only been Greek generals taking up the Roman banner.

I'd like to see you guys involved a bit more. After all, the tournament's about to start soon and we all need practice, right?

[Gabeed]

I'd start participating in these "test games" as well, but I will neither reveal my army nor my brilliant strategy.

[Potocello]

Yah i see what you're saying Burebista. So far the only ones i've seen playing are you, me, Tolg, IrishHitman, and Phalanx300. You all need to start playing with us!

Maybe we'll have to edit the list of who will actually participate in the tournament.

I'd start participating in these "test games" as well, but I will neither reveal my army nor my brilliant strategy.

No need to, you could always just test out different armies and such :).

[Gabeed]

No need to, you could always just test out different armies and such :).

Yeah, I was just looking for an excuse to brag and use the Egypt smiley. How do you guys keep meeting up for games? Are you just stumbling across one another online, or is there a specific time you play?

[Tolg]

Well, we usually play in the evening (GMT).

I think best way to meet one of us is to join the Europa Barbarorum Hamachi network (Pw: greecevsrome) if someone else is online you can use the messenger included in Hamachi to ask if he's up for a battle.

Edit: On another note, you should try playing Pontos, they have some interessting support units. (Check this link.)

[BurningEGO]

Uhmpf, i might join the hamachi server one of these days (if i am allowed to of course).

But i need someone relatively novice to pratice with. I dont care loosing, but i dont want to get totaly smashed either.

So yeah, who else is new to this?

[Βελισάριος]

Well, I'm online now... join the Hamachi group.

That goes for everyone. Download Hamachi here and join the network. "Europa Barbarorum" password (as repeatedly stated by Tolg) "greecevsrome"

I want to get things in order and prepare for the tournament's start.

[HasdrubalBarca]

is it required to join Hamachi for this?
if so, could I get some instructions on how to do so?
I remember the old RTR gold tourneys would work with just the RTW Multiplayer system as opposed to Hamachi. Maybe EB is different, I've never played EB multiplayer before.

I'll be on tomorrow sometime after 7pm US Central Time hopefully we can get a game going.

[Βελισάριος]

Previously posted:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Here you go:

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.


I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature

1. Make sure that you have a clean install of:
   • RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
   • EB 1.1
   • EB 1.2
   • The EB 1.2 Fixes
   
   (Installed in this order)
2. Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
3. Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
4. Click "Multiplayer"
5. Click "Online Battles"
6. If it asks you to enter your CD key, click "Change CD key" and enter the key of your copy of RTW
7. Afterwards click "Online battles" again.
8. When it asks you to enter your name do so (preferably the name you use on the forums so your opponent can recognize you)
9. You should now be in the Lobby and your screen should look somewhat like this:
   Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

   
   In order to play an online battle, one player has to "host" a game and the other one has to "join" it.
10. a) If you're the one joining just check all the three servers (Chat Lobby, Competitive and Friendly) in the box at the bottom right for a yellow game name, if there are multiple ones check the host's name by placing your cursor on top of the game's entry in the list.
    b) If you're the one hosting, click the icon with the two screens. Your screen will look like this:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    
    . Enter a name for your game, select the max. number of players and the unit scale and then press "Host Custom Battle". (You don't need a password) Afterwards do what you would do if you were setting up a sp custom battle.
11. After both players have joined select your factions, press the arrow in the corner at the bottom right, set up your armies press the arrow again and FIGHT!
12. Don't forget to save the replay once your done!

II. Guide to play EB over the Internet using Hamachi

1. See step 1) and 2) of the previous guide.
2. Download Hamachi
3. Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
4. a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
   b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
5. Now it get's tricky:
6. Cut your main internet connection.
7. Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
8. Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
9. Reenable your Internet connection
10. return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
11. [B]Don't forget to save the replay once your done!

And you don't need Hamachi, but it makes things a lot easier.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

I would have to agree with this because after a while the boxed in guys would either have to attack or die of starvation or suicide or something... I think that if you make a box you have to formulate an attack or you lose.

I believe the box you can form in TW can´t be formed in real life because unlike TW you can´t have all the perimeter protected with pikes since you can´t put one unit inside of the other. For this reason and the others already pointed, i agree with Potocello. Btw, i´ve been seeing the battles and i must say they´re pretty nice and i didn´t think this tournament could be so fun

[IrishHitman]

I believe the box you can form in TW can´t be formed in real life because unlike TW you can´t have all the perimeter protected with pikes since you can´t put one unit inside of the other. For this reason and the others already pointed, i agree with Potocello. Btw, i´ve been seeing the battles and i must say they´re pretty nice and i didn´t think this tournament could be so fun

Ah, but in real life, you can form a circle.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Ah, but in real life, you can form a circle.

True. But imagine how hard would be to form a circle and mainten it´s consistency ( 10 sarissas for one scutum, for example). As far as i know the phalanks weren´t suppose to form a circle. I could be wrong but i don´t think the phalanks circle is a valid formation.

[IrishHitman]

True. But imagine how hard would be to form a circle and mainten it´s consistency ( 10 sarissas for one scutum, for example). As far as i know the phalanks weren´t suppose to form a circle. I could be wrong but i don´t think the phalanks circle is a valid formation.

It would just require the lines further back to fill the gaps.
With enough people, it is theoretically possible.

Practically, it would be too hard to form in battle.

[antisocialmunky]

I wouldn't mind joining but I'd only be able to play on Saturdays. I wouldn't mind doing some sort of glorious laggy 3 vs 3.

[Lovejoy]

Someone wanna play tonight? Just for fun. :) I will join the hamachi network.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

It would just require the lines further back to fill the gaps.
With enough people, it is theoretically possible.

Practically, it would be too hard to form in battle.

Perhaps you´re right but i still beleive that this circle would not be as strong as the normal phalanks line.
What do you think about the other reasons they posted? My opinion is that the box should not be a valid formation for this tournament or valid as long the boxed player lauchs an attack. Just form a box without proper counter-attack is not feasible. Any thoughts?
Thx

[IrishHitman]

Perhaps you´re right but i still beleive that this circle would not be as strong as the normal phalanks line.
What do you think about the other reasons they posted? My opinion is that the box should not be a valid formation for this tournament or valid as long the boxed player lauchs an attack. Just form a box without proper counter-attack is not feasible. Any thoughts?
Thx

I agree.

I only form them when I want to annoy someone :P

[Phalanx300]

Well you certainly succeeded in that :P.

[soup_alex]

'Scuse me, gents, but when in the GMT do you mostly find it convenient to play? I'm not sure I'd be able to participate in the tournament proper (there's a chance; University activity seems to be cooling off... for now), but would be more than willing to play a few warm-ups as a sort of "test dummy" (or fluffer? ) in the event that other tourney entrants aren't available, or just to make up the numbers.