Fred Phelps Banned in Britain

[Lemur]

To quote /b/, don't feed the trolls.

But isn't banning the dude, by definition, feeding a troll? Or not? Would he have reaped more attention by protesting the play, or less?

[Fragony]

I think the difference between Wilders and Phelps is that Wilders says others preach Hate, while Phelps clearly does preach it himself.

That, and Wilders is a democratically elected mp

[Subotan]

But isn't banning the dude, by definition, feeding a troll? Or not? Would he have reaped more attention by protesting the play, or less?

*Shrugs* It's not like anyone in the UK cares he's been B&! (Banned)

[Adrian II]

This douche isn't worth the debate. To quote /b/, don't feed the trolls.

One man's troll is another man's freedom fighter.

[Vladimir]

But isn't banning the dude, by definition, feeding a troll? Or not? Would he have reaped more attention by protesting the play, or less?

More like denying food to someone on a hunger strike.

[naut]

As much as I despise the man, forcibly silencing him is not necessary, the majority of people would ignore him anyway.

[Pannonian]

As much as I despise the man, forcibly silencing him is not necessary, the majority of people would ignore him anyway.

Not letting him in isn't silencing him though. He's a foreigner, and Britain is under no obligation to let him in. I wish we'd be as stringent with other mad preachers as well, but this is a start.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Not letting him in isn't silencing him though. He's a foreigner, and Britain is under no obligation to let him in. I wish we'd be as stringent with other mad preachers as well, but this is a start.

That would be my line of thought as well.

The whole of western civilization suddenly seems to revolve around 'freedom of speech'. As soon as somebody yells 'freedom of speech!' all other considerations are out of the window nowadays. (Plus I swear I'll scream the next time some punk on the internets starts a tirade about his freedom of speech when his post is edited or removed )

What of freedoms that are negatively infringed upon? There is freedom of worship, freedom from want, freedom of discrimination. Yet we don't hold ourselves under any obligation to extent these freedoms to the entire world via an open door policy for every oppressed Chinese minority, starving African or Iranian homosexual. Their rights are far more brutally denied than those of Wilders or Phelps, yet we don't allow them in either. So just why Britian should have an open door policy for every hatemongerer out there simply for them to exert one - out of many - freedoms in the UK is beyond me.

I, for one, applaud Britain's recent wave of denial of entry. (With the provision that I am not convinced that Wilders really was a threat to public order)

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Also, don't want to start a thread about it, Argentina has expelled Williamson. That holocaust denying catholofascist. Excellent. I am happy that liberal democracy is standing up for itself. No Open Door policy for crime syndicats, Islamofascists, terrorists, fascistopopes, priests, Phelpses, fascists and other assorted clowns.

[Fragony]

That, and Wilders is a democratically elected mp

again, I believe it's even against EU law to deny a member mp entry. The only threat to british security is Brown's panic.

[Kralizec]

That would be my line of thought as well.

The whole of western civilization suddenly seems to revolve around 'freedom of speech'. As soon as somebody yells 'freedom of speech!' all other considerations are out of the window nowadays. (Plus I swear I'll scream the next time some punk on the internets starts a tirade about his freedom of speech when his post is edited or removed )

Internet forums are private, not public places. Owners/runners are not under any obligation to allow free speech.

What of freedoms that are negatively infringed upon? There is freedom of worship, freedom from want, freedom of discrimination. Yet we don't hold ourselves under any obligation to extent these freedoms to the entire world via an open door policy for every oppressed Chinese minority, starving African or Iranian homosexual. Their rights are far more brutally denied than those of Wilders or Phelps, yet we don't allow them in either. So just why Britian should have an open door policy for every hatemongerer out there simply for them to exert one - out of many - freedoms in the UK is beyond me.

None of those people you've mentioned are citizens of EU countries, so they're not particulary relevant to the issue at hand. (in regards to the Iranian homosexual you're probably thinking of, he eventually got in) The general rule is that you can travel around in the Schengen zone without a fuss. Wilders had, in fact, visited Britain a couple of weeks before he was banned. The second time he wanted to show some homemade videos, some muslims threatened to riot if he got in *cough*extortion*cough*, and the Home Office concluded that Wilders was the one who's threatening public order.

Also, don't want to start a thread about it, Argentina has expelled Williamson. That holocaust denying catholofascist. Excellent. I am happy that liberal democracy is standing up for itself. No Open Door policy for crime syndicats, Islamofascists, terrorists, fascistopopes, priests, Phelpses, fascists and other assorted clowns.

Hmm...

Argentina's interior ministry said on Thursday that Bishop Williamson "has concealed the true motive for his stay in the country".

He had said he was an employee of a non-governmental group rather than declaring "his true activity" as the director of a seminary, the ministry stated.

Sounds like they're using a fabricated pretext to kick him out. I dissaprove in principle, but it's their country - it's not like Argentinia signed a treaty with European countries where they pledge to respect freedom of movement, expression and whatnot

[Adrian II]

No Open Door policy for [..] priests

That's right. You just closed the borders to priests. Or did that detail escape you in the waning of what little intellectual clarity you seem to have left? Who's next? Nurses? Comedians? French Texans? They all seem quite suspicious to me...

Anyway, mon pote, you seem to forget that freedom of expression is a mainstay of western civilisation, it is the right way to go, it has brought us nothing but progress and no other approach will ever be acceptable. Rant as you will.

[KukriKhan]

Meanwhile, in other banning news: The Brit RC holocaust-denier gets kicked out of Argentina for his views, and returns to the UK. Will be be banned too?

[Fragony]

http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/...lane-crash.pdf

lol, please allow them I don't want to miss out on this, does god hate dentists?

[rasoforos]

Hmmm I opened your link Fragony...


...It quotes Lev 18:23

He translates it as: Neither you shall lie with any beast

...I went to read the original-ish (Hellenistic Greek)

...καὶ πρὸς πᾶν τετράπουν οὐ δώσεις τὴν κοίτην σου εἰς σπερματισμόν, ἐκμιανθῆναι πρὸς αὐτό. καὶ γυνὴ οὐ στήσεται πρὸς πᾶν τετράπουν βιβασθῆναι, μυσαρὸν γάρ ἐστι...

...(And to all tetrapods you shall not give your bed in copulation...)

...It only bans us from doing tatrapods...

...(That is 4-legged creatures)...

...great news for fish-ers everywhere

(Chickens are ok too...)

(...and snakes)

[Fragony]

Well as it turns out all casualties are Turkish or American, RIP. It's a shame really these Phelbs would have found theirselves to be in pretty damn hostile territory, ah well I'll have to polish my shoes for a different occasion.

[Major Robert Dump]

Yay they are coming to my town March 3rd for two protests. One we know why, the other it is a mystery

[Fragony]

What kinda confuses me, why does nobody have the luminous idea to crack their skulls, nothing says I disagree with you like a good kick in the teeth. Protesting at a funeral, nobody would put up with that here.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What kinda confuses me, why does nobody have the luminous idea to crack their skulls, nothing says I disagree with you like a good kick in the teeth. Protesting at a funeral, nobody would put up with that here.

There's almost always police separating the groups.

Plus, we Americans are just more polite and enlightened (in that we let them speak and they haven't yet been beaten to death.)

This video may warm your heart though.

CR

[Fragony]

Wanting to come here how to tell us how to live our lives, some nerve. There just wouldn't be enough police this country isn't friendly to religion.

[LittleGrizzly]

Protesting at a funeral, nobody would put up with that here.

I was unsure when we had the topic on complete freedom of speech, but no one should be able to protest within ear shot of a family when thier burying thier loved ones imo. The height of insensitivity....

They it would almost be appealing to go protest at fred's funeral.... I wouldn't, but there would be a certain poetic justice to it...

[Fragony]

They it would almost be appealing to go protest at fred's funeral.... I wouldn't, but there would be a certain poetic justice to it...

Tempting but I'll leave that to absolutely disgusting people. They found out that only Turks and Americans got killed by the way. It's is a horrible tragedy, I get so terribly angry when I think of it and it's virtually impossible to piss me of.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/...lane-crash.pdf

EDIT: Removed hotlinked picture. BG

It fell right out of the sky, only 9 people dead, god must love the filthy Dutch and the godless Turks.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I was unsure when we had the topic on complete freedom of speech, but no one should be able to protest within ear shot of a family when thier burying thier loved ones imo. The height of insensitivity....

Oh, they should have the right to try. The family/friends of the family/random passers-by should have the right to go and kick some .

[Adrian II]

Plus, we Americans are just more polite and enlightened (in that we let them speak and they haven't yet been beaten to death.)

This video may warm your heart though.

CR

Well, judging by the video this is exactly what Frag described, so Americans aren't different after all. Apparently the maker of the video is getting death threats because people think he is in the group.
That, too, sounds familiar.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, judging by the video this is exactly what Frag described, so Americans aren't different after all. Apparently the maker of the video is getting death threats because people think he is in the group.
That, too, sounds familiar.

I was being a bit sarcastic with the whole enlightened bit, since it seems to be the reverse of a favorite claim by some Europeans.

There's also videos of bikers - big guys who don't mess around - who've formed a group to protect funerals by blocking the protesters from view. They got right next to the WBC idiots and all I saw was one minor shove. That's a lot of self control.

CR

[Major Robert Dump]

Hmmmm...looks like a horde of veterans from the veterans hospital are going to be at the capitol, along with a bunch of good ole boys, some bikers, support groups for deployed soldiers, a lot of students, some churches and my personal favorite, the very awesome gay militants. I think I may go and take pictures.

[Major Robert Dump]

Well, it was all pretty uneventful as the media never actually bothered to go read the "protest permit" application at the state capitol, because if they did they would have discovered that it was all misdirection on the website and the protests were going on somewhere else.

We find this out when we go inside of the Capitol to check, and we also find out from the nice lady in the office that we won't be allowed to hold up our signs or go anywhere near the WBC because we had not applied for a "protest permit"

We go to the real location, there are cops everywhere, including building and overpasses, and there were 12 WBC people standing on the corner in a very busy intersection in a very bad part of town, with about 50 counter-protesters on the other corner. The cops came and told us not to yell or hold up our signs, they were cool about everything, and we watched in amusement as virtually everyone ignored these people.

Considering the part of town it was in, they either thought the WBC was homeless people looking for a handout (they took a corner where this is done all the time haha) or people in traffic just thought they were out for a candidate, or they couldn't read the signs because they were illiterate.

Nice to see everyone ignore these people, but I really wanted to see some militant homos whipped into a fury.....

Couldn't go to the one in Moore because I had stuff to do. I took some pictures but tbh they don't really show anything.

I do think they "protest permit-counter protest permit" thing is ridiculous, though. These people really have perverted the whole process

[Boyar Son]

i thought this was for the Olympic swimmer Phelps.