Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

[CountArach]

Arach, why do you care about firearm restrictions in another country?

*Temporarily breaks his self-imposed ban on this thread*

Its the pacifist in me - no one, anywhere, should be shot by another human being for any reason. Getting rid of guns across the world ensures that.

But I think the question itself doesn't make sense - why should anyone care about Third World poverty? Why should anyone care about the Palestine-Israel conflict? Why should anyone, anywhere, care about things that happen on the other side of the world? Think about why you care about these things and then you will have your answer.

*Goes back into exile... for real this time...*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*Temporarily breaks his self-imposed ban on this thread*

Its the pacifist in me - no one, anywhere, should be shot by another human being for any reason. Getting rid of guns across the world ensures that.

Someone with a chainsaw who's trying to cut you into little pieces deserves to be shot.

[Strike For The South]

*Temporarily breaks his self-imposed ban on this thread*

Its the pacifist in me - no one, anywhere, should be shot by another human being for any reason. Getting rid of guns across the world ensures that.

But I think the question itself doesn't make sense - why should anyone care about Third World poverty? Why should anyone care about the Palestine-Israel conflict? Why should anyone, anywhere, care about things that happen on the other side of the world? Think about why you care about these things and then you will have your answer.

*Goes back into exile... for real this time...*

You are allowed to have these views because your country uses guns. Men killed so you could afford to have your lofty ideals.

I was joking in earlier posts but you realize what a pacifist is right?

[CountArach]

I was joking in earlier posts but you realize what a pacifist is right?

One who opposes and rejects the use of violence.

[Major Robert Dump]

So Mexico not only refuses to help the US with illegal immigration but in fact encourages it, Mexico whines about the "fence" to the point that the great wall is being turned into a small levee easily climbed over for "flood protection," the problems with Mexico are due in large to the acts of Mexico itself.....but we are going to change laws here to help stop guns from going south. The guns the mexicans are complaining about are already illegal here.

Personally, I don't think this has a shot in hell of passing unless he does it by executive order. Too many of my fellow blue dogs dominate southern states, it's just not going to happen. I also think Americans tend to naively underestimate the selfishness of other Americans: the fact of the matter is that most of us could give to ***** about Mexico and it problems. Really. Who cares?

What Mexico needs right now is to get rid of this faux democratic capitalist society its pretending to be, admit its an international welfare state whose release-valve-of-problems is pointed right at the US, and just have some crazy communist fascist dictator come in and show people who is boss. Then we couldnt be their friends anymore because they were commie dictators, and they wouldn't be allowed to leave their country because they would all be conscripted to state jobs and duties, and they would build a fence to keep Americans out. That would be awesomeness!!!11

[Crazed Rabbit]

Its the pacifist in me - no one, anywhere, should be shot by another human being for any reason. Getting rid of guns across the world ensures that.

Pacifism as a philosophy is pathetic.

If gun control prevents even one rape turning into a rape-murder then I would be happy with gun control.

What about government cameras everywhere - in all stores, in all houses. Would you be happy with that if it prevented a single murder?

You're excusing the relinquishing of liberty by arguing for an infinitesimal security increase. And assuming you wont go for the government cameras everywhere scheme, its because you are biased against guns.

Yes, guns are deadly. More deadly than any weapon before it. But that is why we need them.

With a gun, no longer is the physically more powerful person able to impose their will on others. No longer do people who train for years with a weapon have a great advantage over others.

It has given power to the people. It is the democratic weapon.

Now, people use guns to defend themselves. If you took that right, people would die. Why is preventing a rape-murder so much more important in your eyes than allowing someone to defend their life with a gun?

And I want to emphasize here that gun control is not effective. It doesn't lower crime or keep small time crooks from getting weapons.

CR

[LittleGrizzly]

With a gun, no longer is the physically more powerful person able to impose their will on others.

Your right, its the person who can afford the better gun, who has taken time to train with the gun, and then physical traits such as your eyesight, ability to move quickly being a somewhat 4th place requirment....

Hmm i wonder who could afford the better gun and have more experience in using it....

[Fragony]

edit, that wasn't very smart

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The point I take away from this is: Obama is (drum roll please) a somewhat-left-of-the-middle-of-the-road Democrat.

He re-re-reversed the ban on overseas abortion funding that Bush had re-reversed that Clinton had reversed that Reagan had instituted as a gesture towards his pro-abortion supporters.

Now there is an effort, unlikely to pass but public enough because of the nature of the weapons mentioned that serves as a gesture towards his pro-gun restriction supporters.

More than a few etc.'s to be added to those two if you scan the particulars of the recent spending/stimulus bills and executive orders.

Why am I supposed to be surprised by this? Its garden variety image politics and ALL of the last 5 occupants have played this game.

Now, it does seem to undercut Obama's claim to be a "new type" of political leader, but I'd suggest that nobody -- not even a majority of our far too ignorant voters -- really expected things to be different. Same Calimari, different spicing.