No excuse to not buy a classic.

**Puzz3D** · 02-28-2009, 13:59

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The AI doesn't protect its general, doesn't use archers effectively, and doesn't build armies of quality troops. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

True. These are good excuses not to buy a classic. It's still the best AI that Creative Assembly has ever produced (excepting the tactical AI in MTW/VI which is better if you don't include artillery), and it's matched to the game features better in STW v1.12 than it is in Warlords Edition. The STW v1.12 campaign is harder because the AI doesn't have a limit on the amount of money it can spend. The AI cannot spend into deficit in Warlords Edition, but that doesn't mean the AI knows how to manage its money. It doesn't know how to manage its economy under this new condition. There were other features introduced in Warlords Edition that the AI doesn't handle such as disbanding units. Did you ever see the AI disband a unit? I haven't. On the tactical side, the guns which are 300% the firepower of the guns in STW v1.12 make shooting those "fish in a barrel" a lot easier.

It doesn't serve the player's interests to point them to an inferior version of the game by way of an official link to a commercial site selling the game when the better designed version is still available. Since when has the org made an official determination that Warlords Edition is the better version of the game?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 02-28-2009, 19:26

Originally Posted by Puzz3D

It doesn't serve the player's interests to point them to an inferior version of the game by way of an official link to a commercial site selling the game when the better designed version is still available. Since when has the org made an official determination that Warlords Edition is the better version of the game?

I like it better and I'm hardly going to censor all links to the WE to try and get people to buy the original. Don't take the "no excuse..." in the title too personally, we haven't decided to make the purchase mandatory for all orgah's. Not yet at least

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-01-2009, 19:52

Here's a thread for debating whcih total war game you think is the best:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=112809

**Monk** · 03-01-2009, 22:42

By "classic" I was referring to STW in general. Had i known it would have caused such a stir I would have never made the post in the first place. I was only attempting to highlight that people who have never played it, really shouldn't let the chance slip by since it's so cheap now days.

**caravel** · 03-01-2009, 22:50

Well it's all a matter of comparisons? If WE was 100 times better than RTW then it must be a good game? right?

If you were exiled to a cave in the mountains for 10 years and could choose only one of these games with no mods and no internet:

1) STW/MI (WE)

2) RTW

3) M2TW

I'm pretty sure of what most of you (STW/MTW players) would go for.

**Togakure** · 03-01-2009, 23:53

Originally Posted by Monk

By "classic" I was referring to STW in general. Had i known it would have caused such a stir I would have never made the post in the first place. I was only attempting to highlight that people who have never played it, really shouldn't let the chance slip by since it's so cheap now days.

I don't think the results of your thread are negative. It led to a discussion; various viewpoints were put forward. Readers have perspectives and options. It's a good thing in my book.

Discussions tangent, and tangents can be very interesting, and revealing. Should thread discussions be linear, stick rigorously to subject, without deviation? There's a place for that I guess, but I often find that kind of discussion boring. But ... that's just me.

Why does it seem negative? Individuals will argue back and forth, defend their positions, sometimes allow themselves to be offended. Some take pleasure in being contentious for whatever reasons; others are simply contentious by nature, for whatever reasons. It isn't anyone's fault; it's just our nature. I enjoyed reading the various perspectives, and contemplating how those perspectives came to be in those who offered them. A good thing (to me, at least

).

**Puzz3D** · 03-01-2009, 23:55

Originally Posted by Masamune

I don't think the results of your thread are negative.

You don't understand what happened today. The results are extremely negative.

Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa

Well it's all a matter of comparisons?

Apparently, I'm not going to be allowed to make comparisons.

**Togakure** · 03-02-2009, 00:41

Ah, I see. Apparently I missed a significant development here. But I see a thread in the Throne Room. I'll redirect my attention there, and to MSN.

**TosaInu** · 03-02-2009, 12:46

Hello,

The frontpage contained Amazon links to about every TW title ever published. Of course, there are re-releases and special editions and such and if every one had to be linked the list would be much much longer. However, STW, MI, WE, MTW, VI, RTW, BI, Alex, M2TW, Kingdoms and ETW were all listed including some special editions. It was a long list and part of the work on the frontpage was to clean the cluttering up a bit.

So, I changed the huge list on the frontpage to one link that loads a new page in the center that provides some sort of quick pick list (I recall STW alone has some 15 different blends). Picking collection boxes is easy and usually the most economic choice (STW Gold costs about $10, STW classic twice as much). As it also concerns the Dojo, I included the Amazon link here and added some others about books. The ETW forum has a link to buy ETW, the Monastery some about history books.

Adding links to other Amazon products including other TW titles/shipments can be done. It's not a top priority for me though. Firstly because there are many other things on the todo list. Secondly because once a user links in to Amazon he'll find other options. Thirdly because members can post here about cons and pros of versions. Afaik, installing MTW Gold is not the same as having MTW classic, some RTW shipments are patched already, I'm sure some prefer RTW 1.0 over anything else, meaning he needs another link. We're back at square one again and a huge list has to be added.

In no way do we/I support only one version or limit the choice to only one product: what you buy or not buy, what you play or not play is your choice. Voicing your opinion about products is fine, but grant each other some air. Some like STW 1.0, others like RTW 1.3, others look forward to ETW 1.0 or the expansionpack for that. Have fun.