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    That's something that always fascinated me about the POTUS. Why is he saluting at all, never mind in reply. In the British armed services you only salute if in full uniform, that's because you are saluting the uniform/rank not the guy in it.

    So when did Presidents start saluting back to their officers/men?
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    That's something that always fascinated me about the POTUS. Why is he saluting at all, never mind in reply. In the British armed services you only salute if in full uniform, that's because you are saluting the uniform/rank not the guy in it.

    So when did Presidents start saluting back to their officers/men?
    Always I believe. The president is the commander of the United States military.
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    I understand that he's C-in-C but Madge* only salutes back if she's in uniform. If not they get a nod of the head or a little wave.

    *Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I understand that he's C-in-C but Madge* only salutes back if she's in uniform. If not they get a nod of the head or a little wave.

    *Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
    I don't know then, I just live here.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

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    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    The person initiating the salute only has to be in uniform. Returning the salute is simply a common courtesy and acknowledgment. When I'm not in uniform I only salute the flag, I'll be damned if I'm gonna salute an O5 when he's wearing shorts and a t-shirt. Likewise, when I run into one of my soldiers and we are both in civvies at the mall and they salute me I return it, out of courtesy, then pat them on the back and politely ask them not to salute me when one of us is not in uniform.
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    Most of the military folk around where I live seem to follow the protocol outlined by MRD.

    Here's some official word on USA salute basics.

    And here's the word from the first POTUS to return such salutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.ronaldreagan.com/tradition.html
    PRESIDENTIAL TRADITION

    I never ceased to enjoy reviewing our men and women in uniform and hope I started a new tradition for presidents. As commander in chief, I discovered it was customary for our uniformed men and women to salute whenever they saw me. When I'd walk down the steps of a helicopter, for example, there was always a marine waiting there to salute me. I was told presidents weren't supposed to return salutes, so I didn't, but this made me feel a little uncomfortable.

    Normally, a person offering a salute waits until it is returned, then brings down his hand. Sometimes, I realized, the soldier, sailor, marine, or airman giving me a salute wasn't sure when he was supposed to lower his hand. Initially, I nodded and smiled and said hello and thought maybe that would bring down the hand, but usually it didn't. Finally, one night when Nancy and I were attending a concert at the Marine Corps headquarters, I told the commandant of marines, "I know it's customary for the president to receive these salutes, but I was once an officer and realize that you're not supposed to salute when you're in civilian clothes. I think there ought to be a regulation that the president could return a salute inasmuch as he is commander in chief and civilian clothes are his uniform." "Well, if you did return a salute," the general said, "I don't think anyone would say anything to you about it."

    The next time I got a salute, I saluted back. A big grin came over the Marine's face and down came his hand. From then on, I always returned salutes. When George Bush followed me into the White House, I encouraged him to keep up the tradition.
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    I agree with Kukri. If he's gonna return a military salute, then do so in a crisp military fashion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I understand that he's C-in-C but Madge* only salutes back if she's in uniform. If not they get a nod of the head or a little wave.

    *Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
    As our dear Seamus found:

    ...he is commander in chief and civilian clothes are his uniform...
    Note that Ronnie often substituted "costume" and "wardrobe" for "uniform", throwing back to his actor days.

    But yeah, Madge has it right, no acknowledgement at all is actually required of POTUS, and often none is given when entering (for example) a formally-guarded building and the guards 'present, arms!' silently as he enters the facility. They (the guards) wait for him to pass, then resume 'order, arms!'. It would be the same at Marine 1 or Air Force 1, except Ronnie wanted to get personal, and started the new tradition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I understand that he's C-in-C but Madge* only salutes back if she's in uniform. If not they get a nod of the head or a little wave.

    *Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
    Thats because most Brits are sissies...

    Oh and thanks Ro-dog for creating nother Obama thread for me to bash Osama Bin Obama!!!
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    Thats because most Brits are homos...

    Oh and thanks Ro-dog for creating nother Obama thread for me to bash Osama Bin Obama!!!
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    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    STOLEN !!!!!



    UK according to DD
    Sounds like a southern boozer. Come oop north for a real pub.

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    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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