The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

I had this happen to me in Whispers of the Night where I put on a vote on Sigurd with less than 20 minutes to spare at 2 AM time here.

But the round was extended for almost 2 hours. Now, had my original quick plan worked, I don't think I did anything wrong or unethical at all? Do people share the same opinion and if not, why not?

Personally, if/when I ever host, I will set voting deadlines and not change them unless well in advance. I will allow last minute vote switches. And to make it fair to peoples in all time zones I will set deadlines at differing times every round randomly.

Sorry to derail into a Mafia ethics tangent but we have time and are waiting.

Its valid tactic but you know me.. I'm a lazy host.

I extend round time until I feel like ending them. Sometime I end it short

brb. I'm off to buy some drinks and snacks to the local shop. Should be back in about 30 min.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just as an FYI, the hard deadline for this round is Monday at 14:00 EST, 19:00 GMT. No extensions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm just responding to people's thoughts, Reenk.


Sasaki suggested a tie, and I showed how dangerous it was to do that, given the Godfather will escape death, and it's a moot point since you won't allow the tie to happen.



It was suggested that the game should be about fun more than winning, so I suggested we end the game in a draw, which both you and GH won't allow to happen.



I pointed out that the only sane way for the townies to end the game is with 3 votes on one player they all think is the Godfather.



I am contributing in a calm, rational manner, and I already said who I thought was guilty, town can do what it wants.



Why does this make me a bad guy? I'm just a realist. I hope everyone is still having fun, but I'm responding to the real situation we have here at the moment.

[Reenk Roink]

Let's get this cleared up Atpg, I have nothing against you advocating how the townies should vote. I have always encouraged you to speak your thoughts in these games have I not?

But when you add this kind of statement:

I'll never play this game again if you let the round end in a tie.

Then it seems like a threat and to be honest, a tantrum, to get things to go your way. Unless this was a joke, which I don't think it was, but sincerely apologize if wrong, it's akin to saying:

I will defriend you if you don't vote for me Beefy.

And being serious (I wasn't as Beefy knows)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I had this happen to me in Whispers of the Night where I put on a vote on Sigurd with less than 20 minutes to spare at 2 AM time here.

But the round was extended for almost 2 hours. Now, had my original quick plan worked, I don't think I did anything wrong or unethical at all? Do people share the same opinion and if not, why not?

Personally, if/when I ever host, I will set voting deadlines and not change them unless well in advance. I will allow last minute vote switches. And to make it fair to peoples in all time zones I will set deadlines at differing times every round randomly.

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04-01-2007, 16:51
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Re: I'm back, and I'm looking for someone to kill 446

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Undoubtedly the correct course of action.

04-01-2007, 16:52 #378 Sasaki Kojiro
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Re: I'm back, and I'm looking for someone to kill 446

Well we can go for one of the henchmen first if you really want.

Unvote,Vote:Roadkill

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Re: I'm back, and I'm looking for someone to kill 446

HAHAHAHAHA Voting closed.

[taka]

Well, since reenk has indicated that he isn't willing, we would need this:

Beefy: 2 (taka, Andres)
Reenk: 1 (Beefy)

Then reenk can either tie it by voting himself, or break his vow to protect beefy...

You'd have to switch your vote to beefy though, because we can't have beefy voting himself and we can't trust reenk's vote on beefy.

the only way to push reenk onto a vote with a tie is

Beefy 1 (Andres)
Reenk 2 (taka, Beefy)

with that, he WILL have to vote for beefy and as long as reenk is in there, im not fussed

[Reenk Roink]

I wouldn't vote for Beefy even if I was Mafia. Somethings go beyond the parameters of the game like my little pacts.

You are free to kill me by the way, the only reason I am less hesitant to die now than earlier is because killing me would lead to certain loss for town and also my kill writeup for myself wont be used (unless GH incorporates it to which I )

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let's get this cleared up Atpg, I have nothing against you advocating how the townies should vote. I have always encouraged you to speak your thoughts in these games have I not?

But when you add this kind of statement. Then it seems like a threat and to be honest, a tantrum, to get things to go your way. Unless this was a joke, which I don't think it was, but sincerely apologize if wrong, it's akin to saying...

Perhaps the text-based nature of the game has allowed a misinterpretation of my statement, and that's no one's fault.

Since
A) We all see that a tied vote is impossible if all 4 players don't agree on it, and
B) A tied vote is a very, very, very, very poor townie strategy right now and
C) There will be no draw...

I am trying, very, very politely, to get my fellow townies to drop the idea of tying the vote. I mean, we are on the same side on this issue, Reenk. You already said you wouldn't go along with the tie, and it's your prerogative to vote however you want without being forced to make a gentleman's agreement.

I agree.

SO, a tie is not going to happen, SO why not tell the rest of the townies to.... stop talking about a tie? I tried repeatedly, but I seem to have been overlooked a little, so I decided to add emphasis to the notion that we REALLY, REALLY shouldn't try for a tie when it's patently obvious there will be no tie.

I'm just trying to be sane and rational and aware of the events of the game, and ensure that these minor details which aren't minor at all are known by all before the vote.

If I put undue emphasis on the point, I apologize. I just find it irrational to commit to a plan which is doomed to failure before it even begins because there can be no tied vote.

Simple enough... I'm not mad, anxious, threatening or anything else. If I have been misconstrued, I apologize. I'm just trying to be sane in an insane world.



It's really no biggie... why can't we discuss who the Godfather is and why? It seems to be a relevant thing to talk about.

the only way to push reenk onto a vote with a tie is

Beefy 1 (Andres)
Reenk 2 (taka, Beefy)

with that, he WILL have to vote for beefy and as long as reenk is in there, im not fussed

It's just a much better idea to drop the idea of a tie. It really is, that's all I am saying. Please ignore me, I am a fool.

[taka]

because andres isn't around

[Reenk Roink]

Well other people like the idea of a tie, and so what if they don't agree with me? Other people have different ideas on what is a good strategy and what isn't; what is rational and what isn't, that's what makes the game fun.

[Reenk Roink]

Well other people like the idea of a tie, and so what if they don't agree with me? Other people have different ideas on what is a good strategy and what isn't; what is rational and what isn't, that's what makes the game fun.

And I was just very worried at the prospect of you leaving the game Atpg.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

the only way to push reenk onto a vote with a tie is

Beefy 1 (Andres)
Reenk 2 (taka, Beefy)

with that, he WILL have to vote for beefy and as long as reenk is in there, im not fussed

I don't believe reenk would vote beefy to save himself. Part of the reason I'm so keen on a tie, beefy is my top suspect and it'll be hard to get him lynched when half the people living won't vote for him...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well other people like the idea of a tie, and so what if they don't agree with me? Other people have different ideas on what is a good strategy and what isn't; what is rational and what isn't, that's what makes the game fun.

Ah, but now we can get into a logical discussion about what is rational, and if I had unlimited time and a separate thread, I could totally destroy any argument which suggests that what is rational is totally subjective and impossible to know and prove to any extent.

However, that is DECIDEDLY off-topic, so lets... focus...

Who is the Godfather? Hmmm?

[Reenk Roink]

Ah, but now we can get into a logical discussion about what is rational, and if I had unlimited time and a separate thread, I could totally destroy any argument which suggests that what is rational is totally subjective and impossible to know and prove to any extent.

However, that is DECIDEDLY off-topic, so lets... focus...

Who is the Godfather? Hmmm?

I'm not so sure about your first paragraph (bit of a paraconsistentist myself ) but I think taka is the Godfather now.

[taka]

@ reenk

didnt u always think i was god father? hence ur vote? or was that a OMGWTFUS vote?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not so sure about your first paragraph (bit of a paraconsistentist myself ) but I think taka is the Godfather now.

Can you give me a link to your case as to why that is?



My counter-case, of course:

Taka has had no one defending him all game, and has come close to death, and has been the scapegoat and target of many scummy-looking people, and he voted himself last round and left the vote there for quite some time.

In a game where he knows for sure the lurkers are going down, he kept his lurker strategy up, and the mafia kept him alive so that he would be a tempting lynch. I argue that he's decidedly the least scummy person here.

But! I am a silly pizzaguy, so if town wishes, lynch him.

[Beefy187]

Me and Reenk tie wouldn't bare fruit. I have no intentions to vote for him, he doesn't seem to want to either.

But all that can go later

ATPG is right. We should focus on finding who is most likely the God Father, although I know most of the cases already so I see no point.

I think soon as Andres shows up, we can start sorting out the voting.

[Chaotix]

Who is the Godfather? Hmmm?

Why, Reenk is the Godfather, of course. Look at his behavior all this game and tell me that he hasn't acted scummy.

I hope town lynches the right candidate.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As of this post, Andres officially has 100 posts to read. Let's all stop and say "hello" before you resume playing, gentlemen.

[taka]

hello!

[Reenk Roink]

Well I just feel strongly that he is Mafia. I guess some of the reasons for this is because he voted for me, trying to run with the idea that I am scummy which always lies in the background ready for someone to pick up (usually Atpg ). Then the fact that now all of a sudden he decides to get interested. I mean sure it's interesting now, but it's always been good!

In anycase, it's obvious I needed to have you killed earlier taka , well played.

As Beefy says, the cases don't matter now, to me at least. I will vote for taka but can also go for Andres. I will also not prevent a Beefy lynch though I will be less active in my defense (sorry Beefy )

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think soon as Andres shows up, we can start sorting out the voting.

Well it's what, 6 AM in the netherlands?



103...lol, hi Andres!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have no intentions to vote for him

ATPG is right. We should focus on finding who is most likely the God Father, although I know most of the cases already so I see no point.

I think soon as Andres shows up, we can start sorting out the voting.

I am just curious. Feel free to vote any way you like... but is there a reason, beyond Reenk's playful defense of you all game, to overlook Reenk as a suspect?

If that's what it takes to gain favor, then my strategy the next time I am a mafia is to make sure I always defend Beefy, so at least one person won't vote for me.



If you don't think it's you, Beefy (for obvious reasons) and you don't think it's Reenk, then you must think it is either Taka or Andres.

Any case against Taka is a pretty tough one to make, for obvious reasons. So, between Andres and Reenk Roink, you pick Andres, I assume?

That means there will not be a possibility of 3 votes on Reenk, so, unless Andres is the Godfather, the game has ended with a mafia victory.

Why, Reenk is the Godfather, of course. Look at his behavior all this game and tell me that he hasn't acted scummy.

I hope town lynches the right candidate.

Have a balloon, my friend.

I always liked the way you analyze things, Chaotix.

[Beefy187]

Well I just feel strongly that he is Mafia. I guess some of the reasons for this is because he voted for me, trying to run with the idea that I am scummy which always lies in the background ready for someone to pick up (usually Atpg ). Then the fact that now all of a sudden he decides to get interested. I mean sure it's interesting now, but it's always been good!

In anycase, it's obvious I needed to have you killed earlier taka , well played.

As Beefy says, the cases don't matter now, to me at least. I will vote for taka but can also go for Andres. I will also not prevent a Beefy lynch though I will be less active in my defense (sorry Beefy )

In that case, I won't feel as bad if I have to vote for you

Don't worry about it. We are all here to have some fun, not to play truth or dare.

[Reenk Roink]

He's trying to manipulate you Beefy , though I have nothing against you voting for me. If I am lynched it means I pushed my boundaries a bit too far this game, no biggie, I've done crazier things.

And those will be my last words, good night (and good morning Andres ).

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well it's what, 6 AM in the netherlands?



103...lol, hi Andres!

Careful, he'll shoot you for that. He's Flemish.

[taka]

reenk, ive noticed it a few times already now, but what do you mean when you say

it's obvious I needed to have you killed earlier taka

and then trying to laugh off?

you said something along the lines of that previously too, but forgot which post

anyhows, the end is nigh so here, i'll laught with you

[Beefy187]

Well Reenks leaving so I'll go off to TWC. If nothings happening there, I might finish watching Terminator.

I'll pop up frequently to see if Andres shows up. If not Ill keep quiet.

Thanks for the fun conversation guys. Ill see youz later

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:

Taka votes Reenk 1758
Reenk votes Taka 1760
Beefy votes Andres 1767


Reenk: 1
Taka: 1
Andres: 1

And I remind the town, that a tie is VERY VERY BAD.

I will throw myself at your mercy, and beg the entire town to please please please please please vote for Reenk Roink, and if we lose you can blame me, thanks so much.

[taka]

i need to sleep, its 6:14am in england lol