The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Andres is the only person that I think is innocent. Since we know for sure that there's only a Godfather left, Andres' previous behavior pretty much excludes him from that role. I would recommend a lynch of Beefy.

Any of them COULD be the Godfather.

I concur with Tincow on Andres. Is it possible that he allowed himself to be on the chopping block 2-3 times without acting -- just trusting to non-chalance as a means of avoiding the loss? Yes. But I agree that it is not likely. The only thing against him, in my mind, is his current absence. I recall him using a RL move to justify his absence from the game during the run up to the end -- and he won as the serial killer.

taka steadfastly maintained his active lurker status, even when targeted. Unlike Andres, he did make one or two specifically self-preservtaionist votes. He cannot be ruled out. He participated very actively -- a couple of voting rounds -- in lynching me. He could simply have been following Reenk's lead while lurking, but I was the one putting pressure on him. His earlier posts almost all feature a "I'm really a small games man" or "I'm not fussed if I get lynched" theme, but his recent activity level and style of post -- involved, enjoying the interplay and humor -- is VASTLY different. This pattern of behavior just SCREAMS mafia to me. Yet most of you do not see it that way....what am I missing?

Reenk is awe-inspiring. He led several lynches -- including mine -- with a jaunty and a "you just feel scummy to me" and it WORKED. The gravitas is just staggering. My problem in assessing him as the Godfather is that he very well could be that "out there," risking a game end at any moment, and playing it precisely that way because it appeals to him more than any other approach. Essentially, the case for his townie status boils down to: No Godfather would ever be quite that cavalier. The case for his mafioso status boils down to : it's Reenk, yes he just might. At best, I get a bit of the sensation he gave me in MG1 as Loki -- in it for the thrill of the game and, while trying to win, not worried if he misses as the game has been fun (which it has!). Overall, still mixed thoughts.

Beefy. Dearest Beefster. You have been on my "hmmmmm" list since very early in the game. Despite what others have said, and you have claimed, about your activity level, you just seem so much more "present" in this game than in any other I can recall. All of your posts seem genial and reasonable -- yet you frequently allude to gentleman's agreements etc. as your rationale for votes and pursuits. All in all, you have been involved, informed, reasonably responsive when prodded, but have not EVER gone after someone, pushed for information, or really taken point on anything. It's almost like you're a politician at a party which hasn't been "polled." Everyone will recall you were there, nobody will think you were doing something offensive, but nobody can really point to anything you did or said except to say that you seemed to be enjoying yourself.


All in all, if I were the one to pick, I'd probably vote Beefy. It's close, as I find taka a goodly bit and Reenk somewhat suspect as well. If its Andres, then he's bested me here. Still, in the final analysis, I'd say its 187Beefyz by a steer's nose.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ugh. Just when I'm suffering from the grandmother of all hang-overs.

Ugh, I need water and some aspirines. I hate cocktails. It's the last time. Really. Screw "you can't drink beer at a cocktailparty!". And me and my wife were the only ones with a Hawaii shirt, flowers around our neck and a really ridiculous hat.

Bah, kids, never mix blue curacao, cocos sirop, ananas juice and rum into one cocktail. Yes, it tastes delicious, but a worse fate than death will wait for you the day after.

I'm dying. Really.



And was I resurrect from the death, I'll have to ask that one guy why I absolutely had to try absinth 89,9 %.

Andres:

Back in grad school I was a serious drinker (doesn't mix with kids & family or I might still be practicing ).

Rule #1: Don't mix. If you drink your alcohol straight, you will: 1) know precisely how up you are getting, and 2) you will not have all those wierd sugars etc. in your body that will make any hangover even worse.

I recall vividly one bachelor party where all the other blokes were doing shooters with Midori, jager', etc. I drank straight shots of Irish whiskey with them, one for one. We all had hangovers, but I didn't spend much of the next morning worshiping porcelain.

[Andres]

Meh, taka didn't vote White_Eyes:D either.

Anyway, today, we are four. Godfather + grunt = 2, which equals the number of townies => mafia win.

Therefore, it can't be Reenk nor me. We both voted White_Eyes:D the previous day. If one of us would have been the Godfather, we would have never lynched W_E, since keeping him alive and using two votes to lynch an innocent, would have resulted in mafia victory.

It has to be taka or Beefy187.

I'm inclined to go for Beefy187 but if you guys want a tie, then the tie should be between taka and Beefy187.

[taka]

i g2g, but im willing to go me and reenk if that makes things better

for me, reenk just has to be in there

and i dont see how not voting for WE means scummy, coz i didnt think WE was scummy at the time

[Andres]

Andres:

Back in grad school I was a serious drinker (doesn't mix with kids & family or I might still be practicing ).

Rule #1: Don't mix. If you drink your alcohol straight, you will: 1) know precisely how up you are getting, and 2) you will not have all those wierd sugars etc. in your body that will make any hangover even worse.

I recall vividly one bachelor party where all the other blokes were doing shooters with Midori, jager', etc. I drank straight shots of Irish whiskey with them, one for one. We all had hangovers, but I didn't spend much of the next morning worshiping porcelain.

Yeah, but you don't know the worst part.

I know all of that too, since I've learned all the lessons about drinking at Uni.

Alas, somehow, my memory didn't recall those lessons last night. It seems like my brain was on a holiday yesterday. Probably to Hawaii, drinking cocktails at the beach.

Honey, can you stop the car, I'm not feeling too well.

I have no mercy on you We will shear those bushes today, as we agreed

[Andres]

and i dont see how not voting for WE means scummy, coz i didnt think WE was scummy at the time

Because the write-up said the Godfather killed last night, which means W_E was a grunt.

If we would have had four alive with 2 mafia (GF+grunt) today, it would have been a guaranteed mafia win.

The fact that you nor Beefy voted the last grunt, makes you two top suspects for being the GF.

[taka]

and i dont see how not voting for WE means scummy, coz i didnt think WE was scummy at the time

at the time

[Andres]

at the time

That's not my point.

My point is that those who have voted W_E are almost certain to be innocent. So you and Beefy187 are left.

Personally, I think it's Beefy187, but if it has to be a tie, then I would very much prefer a tie between you and Beefy187.


EDIT: GAH! There goes the theory of W_E must have been scum:

Ehm, is the fact that the Godfather was mentioned in the latest kill write-up coincidential or was the write-up entirely the mafia's doing?

Can I quote your reply on this pm in the thread?

Andres.

I'm going to be maddeningly unhelpful here and not give you a straight answer. As such, feel free to quote this PM to your heart's content.

All I will say is, in this round, the mafia had no more reason to disguise their numbers. If there were any more or less mafiosi left, the game would have ended.

I still believe Reenk is innocent though.

[TinCow]

Beefy. Dearest Beefster. You have been on my "hmmmmm" list since very early in the game. Despite what others have said, and you have claimed, about your activity level, you just seem so much more "present" in this game than in any other I can recall. All of your posts seem genial and reasonable -- yet you frequently allude to gentleman's agreements etc. as your rationale for votes and pursuits. All in all, you have been involved, informed, reasonably responsive when prodded, but have not EVER gone after someone, pushed for information, or really taken point on anything. It's almost like you're a politician at a party which hasn't been "polled." Everyone will recall you were there, nobody will think you were doing something offensive, but nobody can really point to anything you did or said except to say that you seemed to be enjoying yourself.

This sums up my feelings nicely. Beefy's latest actions seem very jovial for some reason. I get the feeling he's celebrating his own victory. Reenk is just... Reenk. I can't pin anything on Reenk at the moment other than his own Reenkness. My scummy feelings about him were largely connected with a dual Andres-Reenk Grunt/Godfather pair, which is obviously no longer possible. Thus, Andres' drop on the scum charts takes Reenk along with him. Beefy and taka are the two most suspect people at this point, and taka just doesn't convince me. Thus, Beefy.

[Quintus.JC]

Well, people must notice of Taka's sudden increase of involvement in the game. Taka has most lurked but came out of the shadows and is posting much more frequent now.

Read Seamus' post on Taka (post 1891), his level of involvement in the late game is leery and suspicious, I reckon he's a far better suspect than Reenk.

[Reenk Roink]

Well Beefy is the Godfather. However, I will stay true to my pact (plus I don't want the dead to come in where it is certain death for me).

My thoughts on all that transpired: Atpg's case was pretty unconvincing on the whole just like throughout the game, he essentially preached to the choir (Chaotix). Then there are the others who came to conclusions about me by themselves (like seireikhaan). Dunno why taka voted against me, at first I thought he was Godfather. I came to the conclusion that it was Beefy after this post:

In that case, I won't feel as bad if I have to vote for you

It seemed throughout the entire conversation last night, Beefy wanted me to go against Andres. I think Beefy wanted to spare me the final lynch because he is such a nice guy (and maybe also because I defended him). Sure enough though, when he saw my stance on ties and taka wouldn't change, he made that post to then follow up with an actual vote, easing to the jarring of a vote on me, which he earlier said he would never do because he thought I was innocent.

Then he did follow it up with an vote. I don't think Beefy thinks me guilty at all (he is Godfather, but even in his townie act). But for some reason, taka has been on my case for some reason (I pray not Atpg's refuted cases), and remains stubborn, willing to throw his own life at risk as well.

Well, taka, here is the plain case against Beefy. I don't know if it will change your mind or not, but just remember, I won't bbe acting against Beefy, so if you want to lynch the Godfather, you know what to do.

I of course will keep my vote on you because you voted against me and I cannot let that go unpunished.

[naut]

Well Beefy is the Godfather.

[Quintus.JC]

Well Beefy is the Godfather. However, I will stay true to my pact (plus I don't want the dead to come in where it is certain death for me).

My thoughts on all that transpired: Atpg's case was pretty unconvincing on the whole just like throughout the game, he essentially preached to the choir (Chaotix). Then there are the others who came to conclusions about me by themselves (like seireikhaan). Dunno why taka voted against me, at first I thought he was Godfather. I came to the conclusion that it was Beefy after this post:



It seemed throughout the entire conversation last night, Beefy wanted me to go against Andres. I think Beefy wanted to spare me the final lynch because he is such a nice guy (and maybe also because I defended him). Sure enough though, when he saw my stance on ties and taka wouldn't change, he made that post to then follow up with an actual vote, easing to the jarring of a vote on me, which he earlier said he would never do because he thought I was innocent.

Then he did follow it up with an vote. I don't think Beefy thinks me guilty at all (he is Godfather, but even in his townie act). But for some reason, taka has been on my case for some reason (I pray not Atpg's refuted cases), and remains stubborn, willing to throw his own life at risk as well.

Well, taka, here is the plain case against Beefy. I don't know if it will change your mind or not, but just remember, I won't bbe acting against Beefy, so if you want to lynch the Godfather, you know what to do.

I of course will keep my vote on you because you voted against me and I cannot let that go unpunished.

In light of this new evidence....

If its all true then town knows what to do.

[Andres]

Well, people must notice of Taka's sudden increase of involvement in the game. Taka has most lurked but came out of the shadows and is posting much more frequent now.

Read Seamus' post on Taka (post 1891), his level of involvement in the late game is leery and suspicious, I reckon he's a far better suspect than Reenk.

True that. But I still remember a game (Mafia VII or VIII) where Kagemusha came out of the shadows where he had lurked throughout the whole game, to defend himself and finally convinced town to lynch the last remaining mafiosi.



I suggest the remaining townies surrender to the Godfather because of his brilliant play.

How about we all vote no lynch?

Unvote : Beefy187
Vote : no lynch

Hat's off to you, Godfather. You played a fantastic game

Let this game where tensions were high and the debates got very heated end in beauty. Let it go into the Gameroom history books as the game where town didn't want to win, out of respect for the wonderful play of the mafia.

Because Reenk was spot on, it's not the end result that matters, it's the fun we all have during the game.

I had fun in this fantastic game which makes me a winner already, regardless of the end result.

Kudos to GH for hosting this one and a big congratulations to the mafiosi

[Reenk Roink]

See above case, sorry, I don't really think fully before I post as obvious.

Another two things, I think Beefy because he is so nice feels a tinge of guilt (WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T AT ALL MY GOOD SIR ) for voting on me so he asks for me to vote on me and says it is OK. I won't anyway, because the dead are much less favorable to me and more favorable to Beefy than the 4 of us alone.

This matches earlier behavior when I made an appeal for Beefy to save me. Beefy said he wouldn't he appeared noncommittal as a Godfather would be (who would want to associate themselves with me? ) but he did thank me for his support. I just think a townie Beefy has been selfless enough in the past to save someone he thought was innocent. A Godfather Beefy however is in it to win it, as should be.

[taka]

arrgg..... seems the decision's on me

i personally dont think andres is GF at the moment, but between beefy and reenk............

as you have a pact with beefy, i too have a mutual trust with him and with you unwilling to vote for him, how could i possibly vote for him?

and with your earlier post, i dont really see that as evidence as Quintus put it, but i do get your points. for me to vote beefy, i need much more persuading, coz if not my vote stands

as with the people that have mentioned about my sudden increase in play, as i say for the 2nd or 3rd time, 100's of posts ago i said that my level of involvement WILL increase towards the end as with less players, its closer to a small game which suits my style much more

you will have noticed this in chicago too

[Reenk Roink]

Well I have nothing like a mutual trust pact , I just am the defender of Beefy (for this game) good or bad!

What is your reason for voting me then taka? What case?

[shlin28]

Just because Beefy is a nice guy doesn't mean he is da GF! Remember he has hunusually igh activity count and is protected by so many people I can't even count them!

This dead person will vote for Beefy no matter what

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Actually, a "no lynch" favors the town mathematically.

This round, there is a -- assuming no evidence indicates one's guilt over another -- 1 chance in 4 of getting the Godfather. Thus, a 75% chance of the Godfather winning.

If there is no lynch, and the Godfather kills another, then the chances of a mafia win are reduced to 67%.

If there is no lynch, and the Godfather does not kill, then chances remain 75% and the discussion continues.

However, the Host has already indicated this is to be the last round, so it is probably best to seek his input.

GH, would rounds continue with a vote of "No Lynch" or will you resolve the game at the conclusion of this lynch phase one way or the other.

Mathematics may indicate the best response for the town, but it is your game (and a superb one thus far; it is deservedly on a course for 2k!).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

arrgg..... seems the decision's on me

i personally dont think andres is GF at the moment, but between beefy and reenk............

as you have a pact with beefy, i too have a mutual trust with him and with you unwilling to vote for him, how could i possibly vote for him?

Beefy voted for you remember? And your pact was only until there were less than 10 alive.



@Andres and Seamus: Don't think no lynch is the best solution. Either the mafia don't kill and we are right back where we started or Beefy is the godfather and he kills andres...making it impossible to lynch him since reenk won't vote for him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

taka, you should really switch to beefy...if GH ends the game soon that would leave a three way tie between reenk, beefy, and no-lynch.

VVV You're right, this was a 48 hour day. Nice!

[Reenk Roink]

taka, you should really switch to beefy...if GH ends the game soon that would leave a three way tie between reenk, beefy, and no-lynch.

We have a day and I don't think GH will allow the no lynch.

[TinCow]

Let this game where tensions were high and the debates got very heated end in beauty. Let it go into the Gameroom history books as the game where town didn't want to win, out of respect for the wonderful play of the mafia.

You can call it that if you want, I'll call it the game where the town lost because Reenk doesn't even care about supporting his own side. It kind of defeats the purpose of mafia when people sabotage their own victory.

[Jolt]

Bleh, I'll be a sad panda if Andres doesn't even reach the tie. I already made my case, which is sound by my definition and to think that Andres is the GF and won't even reach the voting is...bleh.

[Reenk Roink]

You can call it that if you want, I'll call it the game where the town lost because Reenk doesn't even care about supporting his own side. It kind of defeats the purpose of mafia when people sabotage their own victory.

Yes, because it's my bad that two people are voting me right?

Honestly, you can call it want you want but the living players will play their way, they've earned that right. I don't like to be accused of sabotage in these games, but hey, I'll just tow my line.

I've already given a secondary reason for not voting Beefy, because I don't want it to go to tie where I will most likely lose. To lynch Beefy, we need taka, so try to convince him like I have instead of putting me down.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well TBH I had no idea when extending this round that there would be the possibility of there not being a lynch.

Nevertheless, "no lynch" remains an option. And if you guys choose to take it, then there will be a night kill. And the game will continue, although the next round won't last 48 hours.

[TinCow]

To lynch Beefy, we need taka, so try to convince him like I have instead of putting me down.

Fair enough, but I really don't think your actions are likely to produce that result.

[Quintus.JC]

Forget 'no lynch', lets end it this round. I really can't wait to find out who the GF and the grunts were. Besides that method does seem a little inglorious, even though it is legitimate.

Of course regardless of the GF's identity he certainly gave a almost flawless performance (flawless if he wins), and reaching this stage he does deserve victory. But I think Reenk you should take the town's best interest (that is if you're one of us) and lynch who you think is the Godfather. I know having fun should be the priority, but it certainly doesn't do any harm in having fun and winning at the same time.

[TinCow]

Reenk, for what it's worth, I really do think you should switch your vote to Beefy. Even if you can't convince taka, Andres is pretty much in agreement with you. With both you and him voting for Beefy, at worst it will be a tie vote. That means us deaders will essentially get the deciding vote. As far as I can tell, those of us who have chimed in are greatly in favor of a Beefy lynch. So, as I see it, you have far better odds of winning if you and Andres cooperate to at least keep the vote at a 2/2 tie with Beefy as a contendor.

[Thermal]

If we cast our minds back a black cloud went over me and taka didnt it reenk taka's probably innocent, I am so putting my money on beefy, and how dare he blame me for his evil signature!