Prussian campaign

[Monk]

Napoleon's conquest was in the 1800's and not 1700's... the game ends in 1799 and 1700's were a different time with different limitations.

The problem with CA games is that they are pseudo historical... if you want to feel somewhere remotely close to the challenges of the time, then play Europa Universalis where you would at least have to setup for yourself the "cause of war" before going into a war and achieve a point system for annexation of a province or nation before you can call any slab of land your own... TW games are child's play on the other hand.... it doesn't even consider the fact that the biggest enemy of any army is the nature and diseases it plagues them with; more men were lost to diseases than anything else. It's fun, however, battles are stunning... It's fun till you find out AI pattern and how stupid it is and discover all kinds of bugs which CA games are plagued with..... again though the graphics are amazing, it pushes technology, so you end up using a lot imaginations to find excuses to continue playing this game.

EU is a game that is for a different kind of player, personally I don't like it when I need to tranche through huge tutorials(I think II had like 6, by the time i was done with them I had forgotten the material in the first) that cover vast amounts of gameplay just to be able to enjoy a game. The depth and learning curve are intense, some people like that but it's not for me.

The weakness in CA's games has always been the AI going back to RTW, the AI seems improved this go around, we'll see in two days.

As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.

[BeeSting]

As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.

European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....

[Sir Beane]

European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....

So would you rather have a game where you cannot defeat your enemy and take their provinces? I'm genuinely curious what sort of system you prefer.

Personally I don't mind that I can crush other nations if I want to. After all the entire concept of a game where you can take the world is fairly ahistoric anyway, so why not let you take factions out? All I ask is that it isn't easy to do.

The Dutch could threaten Portugal without taking out Spain. Especially if they had a treaty with Spain. They could both march through Spain and also use a naval invasion to attack Portugal.

[BeeSting]

So would you rather have a game where you cannot defeat your enemy and take their provinces? I'm genuinely curious what sort of system you prefer.

No you fight to expand your territory in the New World as it were for the time, or fight wars in Europe to topple foreign government to replace it with ones that favors yours and not to annex or occupy a whole nation.

Personally I don't mind that I can crush other nations if I want to. After all the entire concept of a game where you can take the world is fairly ahistoric anyway, so why not let you take factions out? All I ask is that it isn't easy to do.

The problem is that CA made it too easy, especially with their one province system for France and Spain. Peoples fear of this have been made evident.

The Dutch could threaten Portugal without taking out Spain. Especially if they had a treaty with Spain. They could both march through Spain and also use a naval invasion to attack Portugal.

True... but I doubt it... If I know CA's campaign AI, it is most likely set out for Nazi like objective of world domination.

[Freedom Onanist]

Plently of nations annexed in and around those years as has been said. To add a few, Ireland, Scotland, Portugal, etc...

The point is that it is a game, not a simulator. If you don't want to annex other nations don't. If you think it is wrong then you will have to fight against some AI Napoleon on some crazy, megalomaniac, annexing, power trip - like in real life a few years after the end of this game.

Also, we're not deaf No need to bolden your type!

[BeeSting]

Plently of nations annexed in and around years days as has been said. To add a few, Irelans, Sctoland, Portugal, etc...

eh?

[Freedom Onanist]

eh?

Typelexia!

[Lemur]

European nations just didn't annex other European nations then.

*cough* Napoleon *cough*

[BeeSting]

*cough* Napoleon *cough*

First, Nap's conquest was in 1800's.

Didn't he setup puppet, tributary governments? annexation is another story.

[Csargo]

European nations just didn't annex other European nations then.

Poland was.

[BeeSting]

Poland was.

You got me there... but that's probably the only example.

[andrewt]

European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....

What's the point of playing the game if everything will happen the same as it did in history?

Besides, just because Napoleon came a century later doesn't mean that it was impossible to do that during the game's century. It just means that Napoleon wasn't born yet. There were plenty of other conquerors before this as well, from Rome to the Mongols to the Ottomans. Those were very quick land grabs, where they conquered huge swaths of land in what is only a few turns gameplay wise.

I don't see the problem with removing the uninteresting parts of history that wouldn't make good gameplay. I certainly don't want to run out of gunpowder in battle if I didn't assign enough people to collect horse/bird shit.

[BeeSting]

What's the point of playing the game if everything will happen the same as it did in history?

Besides, just because Napoleon came a century later doesn't mean that it was impossible to do that during the game's century. It just means that Napoleon wasn't born yet. There were plenty of other conquerors before this as well, from Rome to the Mongols to the Ottomans. Those were very quick land grabs, where they conquered huge swaths of land in what is only a few turns gameplay wise.

I don't see the problem with removing the uninteresting parts of history that wouldn't make good gameplay. I certainly don't want to run out of gunpowder in battle if I didn't assign enough people to collect horse/bird shit.

I did end up conquering the whole of Iberian peninsula and half of France in EU as the Dutch (my favorite faction btw). But it took me a month of playing before I was able to achieve this.

I bet you anything that I can achieve this in few days with ETW.

More challenge anyone?

[Sir Beane]

I did end up conquering the whole of Iberian peninsula and half of France in EU as the Dutch (my favorite faction btw). But it took me a month of playing before I was able to achieve this.

I bet you anything that I can achieve this in few days with ETW.

More challenge anyone?

I don't really have a month or more to waste on one campaign, but I do have a couple of days. And I know there are people out there with much less time than me.

If Empire is as difficult as MTW it will be challenging enough for me I think. If I wanted to be really challanged I would attempt to go annex France in real life .

[BeeSting]

I don't really have a month or more to waste on one campaign, but I do have a couple of days. And I know there are people out there with much less time than me.

If Empire is as difficult as MTW it will be challenging enough for me I think. If I wanted to be really challanged I would attempt to go annex France in real life .

It took me many campaign attempts to do what I did with EUII as Dutch... The starting time was in the 1500's and I had to fight for my independence from Spain, which was the hardest part.

[andrewt]

I did end up conquering the whole of Iberian peninsula and half of France in EU as the Dutch (my favorite faction btw). But it took me a month of playing before I was able to achieve this.

I bet you anything that I can achieve this in few days with ETW.

More challenge anyone?

I don't see anything wrong with it. I think 1-2 weeks of heavy playing is how long a long campaign in ETW should last. It's long enough to be immersive without being too long that it becomes bogged down in drudgery. There's 12 factions after all, plenty of other games out there and an inevitable expansion a year down the road.

Besides, accomplishing it in a few days in ETW doesn't mean that it's not challenging. Before he was nerfed, the M'uru fight in World of Warcraft was less than 10 minutes long. It took my guild (top 250 US) roughly 500 attempts spread out over around 14 weeks before we finally beat it.

[Lemur]

Actually, I always found the "conquer the world" the least interesting part of the TW games. Except maybe Shogun, where unification of Japan really was the goal of all the daimyo. And playing as the Romans, I suppose, where a certain amount of crazy land-grabbing felt in character.

I'm glad that annexing all of Europe isn't the only path to glory in Empire.

[Sir Beane]

Actually, I always found the "conquer the world" the least interesting part of the TW games. Except maybe Shogun, where unification of Japan really was the goal of all the daimyo. And playing as the Romans, I suppose, where a certain amount of crazy land-grabbing felt in character.

I'm glad that annexing all of Europe isn't the only path to glory in Empire.

I prefer to take ove a small, realistic area of a territory. Like the reconquista or uniting Britian. But I still think being able to take over the whole word is a reasonable goal, it is a game after all.

I'm really looking forward to being able to win in more ways than just a landgrab. I want to win because of trade and my superbly cultured citizenry, not just because I had a bigger army than the next guy.