Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

[Tolg]

Well you don't have to do that, with me it works just fine if I just start up EB with Hamachi installed.

First try without cutting your connection, only do that if it doesn't work. (Perhaps I should edit my guide one of these days.)


PS: @Swissbarbar: Sry, I'm going to go to bed early, no mp games more tonight.

Edit: appears you thought the same. ;)

[Dutchhoplite]

What's the cd key??

[Phalanx300]

The number code which came with vanilla. Though you don't need it if you intend to use hamachi.

[Gabeed]

The first battle of the tournament has already been played.

Tolg vs Phalanx300:

Replay

Phalanx was defending with a minor height advantage, my Principes engaged his Hoplitai while my Pedites Extraord. and my cavalry flanked him on the left. The Pedites were caught up n battle with some more of his Hoplitai but my cav was successful, routed his inferior cav and then finally charge the backs of his phalanx, causing his defeat.


To sum it up:

Romans: 1
Greeks: 0


Of course only if I the jury approves.


Actually I made a minor faux pas: Perhaps this game shouldn't have been played before the maps were officially announced, I hopes it's valid nonetheless. (The majority of the jury already voted in favor of "Mount Olympus" anyway)

That was a neat battle to watch. Your principes fighting the center phalanxes were constantly wavering, but Phalanx300 never had the opportunity to exploit that.

[Tychon Miletou Ionikes]

Would you be interested in joining?

I would indeed, I'll have a look into setting up and getting onto Hamachi. Will post here when I've figured it all out. In the mean time, keep those replays coming! They're very entertaining.

[Βελισάριος]

Then be sure to sign up for April!

In the meantime, here are the maps to be fought on:
1. Antisocialmunky vs. IrishHitman - Samos
2. Alexanderthegreater vs. Potocello - Peloponessos
3. Blxz vs. Gabeed - Abu Simbel
4. Rootje vs. BurningEGO - Temple of Artemis at Ephesus
5. We shall fwee...Wodewick vs. Silence Hunter - Temple of Zeus at Olympos
6. TWFanatic vs. Maion Maroneios - EB Makedonia
7. Tolg vs. Phalanx300 - Mount Olympos*
8. Fluvius Camillus vs. Tsidneku - Kolossos of Rhodos

Now, all four of the remaining jury members will have a look at this battle (playing it right now), and let's see what rules Tolg broke :p

[tsidneku]

I think the replay of the first match was played on 'Large' scale. Is that the designated scale? Or is it just whatever is agreed by the contestants for the match?

I normally play on Huge if my opponent can support it.

[Maion Maroneios]

Damn, I'm itching to install EB now and finally start playing/judging/kicking some Romaioi ass. Will look at the reaply even today maybe. By the way, I have contacted TWFanatic and he hasn't answered yet. Nothing to worry much about, since I can play after Thursday, but just saying. Maybe you, Βελισάριος, could also contact him (or at least try to)?

Maion

[Blxz]

Damn it, I wanted to practice against the computer in a custom battle before the big match, BUT, I can't find ANY Roman units... I have checked each unit one by one down the whole list 3 times through. I tried using the computer to select some 'appropriate' units and it selected some roman ones that I couldn't find anywhere on the list.

ANY idea how to sort this out? I have a game tomorrow and need to figure it out soon. Thx.

[Tychon Miletou Ionikes]

Damn it, I wanted to practice against the computer in a custom battle before the big match, BUT, I can't find ANY Roman units... I have checked each unit one by one down the whole list 3 times through. I tried using the computer to select some 'appropriate' units and it selected some roman ones that I couldn't find anywhere on the list.

ANY idea how to sort this out? I have a game tomorrow and need to figure it out soon. Thx.

Are you running the multiplayer.exe? That's the one which makes custom battles playable with faction troops.

[alexanderthegreater]

Damn it, I wanted to practice against the computer in a custom battle before the big match, BUT, I can't find ANY Roman units... I have checked each unit one by one down the whole list 3 times through. I tried using the computer to select some 'appropriate' units and it selected some roman ones that I couldn't find anywhere on the list.

ANY idea how to sort this out? I have a game tomorrow and need to figure it out soon. Thx.

You probably didnt use the text file for MP.

[Blxz]

You guys are probably right, never occurred to me. Although I have probably read that somewhere before.

[Blxz]

It does indeed, even though we already know who is the superior one, the Hellenes ofcourse . But we might as well give these Romani barbarians a fair chance to show them the light.

The Greek City States are after all the most supreme force ever to have existed. Sparta stands unrivaled troughout the world!

I guess they can consider themselves rivaled now? Those inferior roman barbarians did you one over good.

Actually it was a very good battle. I have to say I thought very much that you were going to win Phalanx300. It was just unfortunate that you lost that mini skirmish style battle on your left flank with those cavalry. Had lots of fun watching your battle. Even more fun to know that my team is now 1 up on the score board.

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Actually, thanks guys for telling me about using multiplayer, i have found my factional troops. Major problem now is that I have never played until marian reforms in EB so I have no idea as to what constitutes a marian army (which i need to use against the Ptolmies). Anyone able to give me a decent historic guide as to what I should use OR even list down every single roman factional unit that qualifies as Marian and won't get me disqualified in this tournament...I can't find it anywhere on the site. There are some nice historic hellenic armies on page 1 of this thread but nothing roman, are they really that hated?

[Βελισάριος]

You have the list of Roman units by reforms on the EB website, here.

In the meantime, since the first Hamachi network seems to be getting full, I've made another one.
Network name: Europa Barbarorum II, password: greecevsrome.

Maion, I've sent WTF... I mean TWF a message, but he still hasn't replied. Let's wait and see.

[antisocialmunky]

Well I doubt Irish and I will be able to play before wednesday night or friday evening because of my connection.

[Tolg]

I think the replay of the first match was played on 'Large' scale. Is that the designated scale? Or is it just whatever is agreed by the contestants for the match?

I normally play on Huge if my opponent can support it.

You may choose whichever unit size you want, though I hope that all battles can be fought at large or huge, smaller size makes the battles much less interesting. Then again, that's just my personal opinion.

[satalexton]

6. TWFanatic vs. Maion Maroneios - EB Makedonia

ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!! *waves xiphos*

[SwissBarbar]

Which one is actually meant to be the attacker? So you can adapt do defensive or offensive strategy.

[tsidneku]

Which one is actually meant to be the attacker? So you can adapt do defensive or offensive strategy.

The Greeks are on defensive formation this round. The Romans need to break through. :D

[Fluvius Camillus]

Rematched..

This time I lost

Romans 1
Greek 1

This time my enemy switched from greek phalanx to macedonian, avoiding the front of the phalanx I tried a large flank attack, which failed, then my general died and the situation was lost.

Official battle replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wkyjot03nqj

Disqualified battle Replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ymkmwzgfntm

Still Looking forward to the next fight!

Any chance to redeem myself?

[tsidneku]

Replay Match -- Pontic Victory

Flavius Camillus (Romani) vs Tsidneku (Pontos)

F. Camillus fielded a similar army, save for the ranged. Tsidneku changed to a phalangite based army this round. I think this replay shows great use of the mobility in a Roman army. The battle began on the Pontic Right flank where the cavalry forces clashed. The Pontic cavalry were largely repelled then shepherded by the Roman Antesignani spearmen.

Meanwhile, the Roman front had split into half and tried to try a massive flank on the Pontic phalanx line. I split and turned my phalanx after I made sure he was dedicating to the flank. It was a messy battle with many mini-fronts and cavalry charges into enemy hinds. In the end, Pontus was able to gain a victory after slaying the Roman imperator, afterwhich the Roman troops started routing.

Romans: 1
Greeks: 1 (not sure whether to count the technical win by IrishHitman?)

You can find a summary of the first match below, along with the original replay link.

Second match replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?3dvx1u20ynn

First Match -- Roman victory: game was replayed because Imperial Eastern Archers were used.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Flavius Camillus (Romani) vs Tsidneku (Pontos)

Notate bene: We realized he had Accensi in his army (which I think are Camillian era troops?), but I agreed that it was alright and we should play the battle through anyway.

F. Camillus's army was structured in an immensely long line with cavalry and Antesignani on the flanks. It was a shoot-out between my Heavy Archers and his Accensi until his Imperial Eastern Archers joined it from behind his line. My forces were getting peppered to shreds, so I decided to bring the battle to him and charged him. I flanked him from both sides with Scythian Noble Cavalry, but I follied and his Antesignani ate up a good 1-2 of my 6 units of cavalry.

One of my archer units had already been decimated when the battle began, so I had little to shoot down his winding cavalry. Camillus' great use of cavalry won him the day, I would think -- that, and his archers that I didn't expect.

Romans: 2
Greeks: 0

The replay has been uploaded to Mediafire: you can find it here: http://www.mediafire.com/?zzzgcjm00nx

[Phalanx300]

But aren't you only allowed though to pick units which are portrayed for each faction at the EB site?

[Tolg]

Wait a second, I haven't watched the replay yet, but Imperial Archers are Imperial units, not Marian ones... Meaning that he wasn't allowed to use them...

About the Accensi: I think it was decided that players are allowed to use older units (though I don't really like that), meaning that there's no problem with Cimillian units in a Polybian Marian army. Also I think that Accensi are still available for rome in the Polybian time frame in the campaign (not sure).

I forgot that you were using Marians. ^^' Anyway, it doesn't change anything anyway.

[Belisarius12]

Most of the roman army fighting in Greece during the Macedonian wars was composed of allied Italian legions so I advice
For the sake of historical accuracy to use 1/2 of the slots available for allied Italians.
But its Just my opinion.
ps: i know i am a bit late sorry for that xd

[HunGeneral]

.. until his Imperial Eastern Archers joined it from behind his line...

There shouldn't be any Imperial units used by the romans. Unfortunaetly I'm not able to view the replay until friday night so could someone give clearence wether there really were Imperial roman troops in the battle?

I think earlier units might be used (unless the "rules" at the begining say Marians must be used - with those reforms many earlier unit types ceased to exist since Rome didn't trust there Italian allies anymore) As much as I know Accensi are also availabe for the romans after the Polybian reforms. But this time there supposed to be fighting Marian romans vs Pontos

[IrishHitman]

Maion, the Barbaroi are triumphing! We must turn this situation around!

IrishHitman (Kingdom of Makedonia) vs. Βελισάριος (Roman Republic)
Technical victory to IrishHitman, Draw due to admitting defeat for time reasons.
http://www.mediafire.com/?nooz3mznzqy

A full rematch must happen on that one...

[Tolg]

There shouldn't be any Imperial units used by the romans. Unfortunaetly I'm not able to view the replay until friday night so could someone give clearence wether there really were Imperial roman troops in the battle?

I think earlier units might be used (unless the "rules" at the begining say Marians must be used - with those reforms many earlier unit types ceased to exist since Rome didn't trust there Italian allies anymore) As much as I know Accensi are also availabe for the romans after the Polybian reforms. But this time there supposed to be fighting Marian romans vs Pontos

The exact unit composition was:

Romani:

• 1x Equites Singularii
• 4x Equites Galliorum
• 1x Prima Cohors Reformata
• 5x Cohors Reformata
• 1x Cohors Evocata
• 4x Antesignani
• 2x Accensi
• 2x Imperial Eastern Archer Auxiliary

Pontos:

• 1x Pontos late Bodyguard
• 6x Scythian Noble Cavalary
• 7x Hoplitai
• 4x Thureophoroi
• 2x Bosphoran Heavy Archers

All units except the Imp. Archer ares compliant to the rules (The Prima cohors aren't on the E page, but they should be in anyway.)

[tsidneku]

Bump: I edited my post with the new results in case people mistakenly glance over it.

[Fluvius Camillus]

same for me!

[Tolg]

Great. I think you just saved the jury a lot of trouble. :D

Anyway. Downloading the replay now.


(BTW, Irish's match was an official tournament match)

@Flavius: Redeem yourself in the second round. But don't you dare to bring shame upon the great Res Publica Romana again or you may look for your lost honor within the Amphitheatrum Flavium. )