Wallachia is not Bulgaria !

[Tantalaul]

Time frame is 1700 false or true?
So Europe map is http://www.euratlas.com/history_euro..._map_1700.html
And in my opinion CA shows again a lack of history culture.
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[Vlad Tzepes]

Yeah, I've noticed that as well, it's kind of stupid just to rename Walachia Bulgaria. But, hey, it's just a game, maybe in the expansion we'll get France owning England, who knows?

[The historian]

Wallachia and Moldavia were otoman vassals in 1700 they should be like the Crimean Khanate and yes merging Wallachia with Bulgaria is annoying for us a Romanians but most of the provinces in the game have very little to do with historical accuracy.Anyway i don't remember any total war game to big on history so don't sweat it. I'm waiting so we can mod it into reality the map at it's current state is somewhat ridiculous from my view as a history buff it resembles risk more then history.

[Squints]

People fidn the oddest things to get worked up on

[Olimpian]

People fidn the oddest things to get worked up on

Yes they do, especially when they have like 3rd grade knowledge of European history and are ...bothered... when they see what nonsense is presented to the average bloke playing such a game, which then believes that back then Bulgaria really did stretch all the way to the Carpathians

How would you feel if I told you the Earth is not round? That's how I feel when I see that part of the map. And yes, I am probably exaggerating all of this because I'm from around there, but that doesn't mean that CA is doing a good job of educating people on the true history of he era --- not that it does that in any of its TW games... I know it's a game and not an encyclopedia, but still.. primary school level history knowledge for me..

[Sheogorath]

I think CA's reasining might be somewhat understandable in this matter...

During this era, Moldavia changed hands several times between the Russians and Ottomans, whereas the rest of the Balkans pretty much stayed in Ottoman hands until the 19th century hit and bits of it started to fall off.

So...they get their own province, Wallachia gets to be a bit of somebody else.

[/shrug]

Just an idea.

[Upxl]

Even though I consider myself far from a historian I would like to add something to this discussion here.

Games are just games, they are made for a wide variety of public and can and will never be 100% historically correct.
I don’t like it but sadly there’s not much we can do about it (modders not included)
Still I believe that the makers of TW however do their very best to come as close as possible.
Very challenging when taking game play / loading times and user friendliness into account i'm sure.
We don’t know what goes on in those meeting rooms when all this is being discussed but I’m pretty sure these errors aren’t because of stupidity or incompetents.

that doesn't mean that CA is doing a good job of educating people on the true history of he era --- not that it does that in any of its TW games... I know it's a game and not an encyclopedia, but still.. primary school level history knowledge for me..

Not only I disagree I also believe CA does much more then just educating people.
I’ll bet that a lot of young and older gamers have little to no knowledge about the world some hundred or more years ago.
How many people I remember in school where totally uninterested in history just because it was a boring teacher or just couldn’t grasp the importance of it.
I remember one of my finest teachers opened his first class with and I quote; “I know a lot of you don’t understand why you should learn history or why it is any matter of importance…” Shame on me I cant remember the rest of the lecture
Ofcours then again I was never among those people but I tried numerous times to persuade them in the point of learning it.

My point here simply is.
I’m sure many kids here got the taste of it and this game will motivate them to just look stuff up, believe me, I’ve seen it happen.
As for the teachings of CA I’ll bet you that allot of them go: what the heck? There was an ottoman empire?
At this point those “details” (I apologize if I offend you here, this not my intention) don’t matter much. They won’t remember them anyway and if they do they’ll figure it out.
In this case they just had to click on this thread.
Besides my school experience on history was in a lot of cases full of errors due to the misinterpretations of the teachers and the books that where at hand.
Even worse when I chose to switch my course and thus from school, because of the different year schedules I never got learn anything about the Middle Ages.
A dying shame but because I cared I read up on my own time.

I don’t think we shouldn’t attack CA in anyway but we should never stop informing people.
If you had started this thread not by insulting but just by informing you would’ve achieved the same and more.
People wont waste time arguing about what CA should have done or not, making this one of the many endless discussions on the net but instead join in and tell what they know about the subject.

Same goal, different approach.
It’ll do wonders!
Even for this fine forum. (talking about attitude here)

[Callahan9119]

I dont like your positive attitude

Lets keep it short and angry!

[Upxl]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Even though I consider myself far from a historian I would like to add something to this discussion here.

Games are just games, they are made for a wide variety of public and can and will never be 100% historically correct.
I don’t like it but sadly there’s not much we can do about it (modders not included)
Still I believe that the makers of TW however do their very best to come as close as possible.
Very challenging when taking game play / loading times and user friendliness into account i'm sure.
We don’t know what goes on in those meeting rooms when all this is being discussed but I’m pretty sure these errors aren’t because of stupidity or incompetents.



Not only I disagree I also believe CA does much more then just educating people.
I’ll bet that a lot of young and older gamers have little to no knowledge about the world some hundred or more years ago.
How many people I remember in school where totally uninterested in history just because it was a boring teacher or just couldn’t grasp the importance of it.
I remember one of my finest teachers opened his first class with and I quote; “I know a lot of you don’t understand why you should learn history or why it is any matter of importance…” Shame on me I cant remember the rest of the lecture
Ofcours then again I was never among those people but I tried numerous times to persuade them in the point of learning it.

My point here simply is.
I’m sure many kids here got the taste of it and this game will motivate them to just look stuff up, believe me, I’ve seen it happen.
As for the teachings of CA I’ll bet you that allot of them go: what the heck? There was an ottoman empire?
At this point those “details” (I apologize if I offend you here, this not my intention) don’t matter much. They won’t remember them anyway and if they do they’ll figure it out.
In this case they just had to click on this thread.
Besides my school experience on history was in a lot of cases full of errors due to the misinterpretations of the teachers and the books that where at hand.
Even worse when I chose to switch my course and thus from school, because of the different year schedules I never got learn anything about the Middle Ages.
A dying shame but because I cared I read up on my own time.

I don’t think we shouldn’t attack CA in anyway but we should never stop informing people.
If you had started this thread not by insulting but just by informing you would’ve achieved the same and more.
People wont waste time arguing about what CA should have done or not, making this one of the many endless discussions on the net but instead join in and tell what they know about the subject.

Same goal, different approach.
It’ll do wonders!
Even for this fine forum. (talking about attitude here)

Really should stop posting after a drinking night.
Allways become so mushy and tender.

[lars573]

Time frame is 1700 false or true?
So Europe map is http://www.euratlas.com/history_euro..._map_1700.html
And in my opinion CA shows again a lack of history culture.
No comment

I don't who drew that map, but it's about as realistic as CA's making Wallachia part of Bulgaria. Wallachia and Moldova were part of the Ottoman empire from the early 15th century until 1881. How independant they were within the Ottoman empire is open to inpretation.

Here's someone elses.
http://home.zonnet.nl/gerardvonhebel/1648.htm
http://home.zonnet.nl/gerardvonhebel/1748.htm