The Settlement [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Very good spot taka. I agree with the others that this appears to be a mafioso. Actually, it appears to be the unluckiest mafioso imaginable. Killing a person on the very first night whose death would reveal you as the killer... what are the odds of that?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

2 and 3 are good points but wifom

i do think he's trying to protect his mafia partner, but what im more concerned is what would happen if we lynch him.

Well, what would happen if we duel him? Maybe he'd gain a secret power then? I don't think Ares has tried to get lynched today despite his confession.

btw, TinCow, you are awfully high on my suspicion list after defending Ares that heavily...not something that can be dismissed imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Very good spot taka. I agree with the others that this appears to be a mafioso. Actually, it appears to be the unluckiest mafioso imaginable. Killing a person on the very first night whose death would reveal you as the killer... what are the odds of that?

I actually rather like the odds of lynching the sole mafia on the first round, basically by accident.

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Ah... Capitalist Commie, you will forever be added to the lexicon as shorthand for "One-turn townie victory."

[taka]

Very good spot taka. I agree with the others that this appears to be a mafioso. Actually, it appears to be the unluckiest mafioso imaginable. Killing a person on the very first night whose death would reveal you as the killer... what are the odds of that?

its happened before - as Pizza said

Well, what would happen if we duel him? Maybe he'd gain a secret power then? I don't think Ares has tried to get lynched today despite his confession.

btw, TinCow, you are awfully high on my suspicion list after defending Ares that heavily...not something that can be dismissed imo.

im not sure about whether to duel him or not... as what you said could well be valid. however this COULD potentially make him over powered, so i highly doubt something like that would happen in this game



btw: how do you spoiler things?

[Askthepizzaguy]

When you make a post, look above the box where you type in the text.

The far left, there is a B for Bold. But notice, on the right, next to the "strike-thru" button, there is another B? It's not for Bolding.

That is the spoiler tag button. when you push it, it adds [SPOIL ] And [/SPOIL ] without the spaces, and those are spoiler tags. They surround whatever you want hidden under a button.

[taka]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

When you make a post, look above the box where you type in the text.

The far left, there is a B for Bold. But notice, on the right, next to the "strike-thru" button, there is another B? It's not for Bolding.

That is the spoiler tag button. when you push it, it adds [SPOIL ] And [/SPOIL ] without the spaces, and those are spoiler tags. They surround whatever you want hidden under a button.

thanks

[pevergreen]

Just a side note, to demonstrate code on forums, you can go [NOPARSE][/NOPARSE]

for example: [SPOIL][/SPOIL]

[taka]

yar, i kinda knew u can use codes, but i didnt know the one for spoiler

thanks aswell :)

[Lord Winter]

@ The case on Tincow. I don't get the accusations towards him. Townies defend maifa all the time, look at GF3 with Reenk and Beefy, it happens. Furthermore Tincow's defense has been in character and does nothing to raise my suspicions.

@Beefys two PM's: My guess is he's a pro town role, after all a mafioso would want to stay as much out of the public spotlight as possible. For now it would be best for the town to not demand the PM.

@ Ares: Welcome to the club of one turn mafia runs. Now you know what I felt like in capitalist commi.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Very good spot by Taka. From the original story Vode was the God of War and Foreign Peoples I believe. I'm almost certain that he is the Deity of choice for the Mafiosi.

In light of this, and considering that Ares has confessed I shall Vote: Ares.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's come to my attention that I need to do this in the proper format: Accept: Sasaki Kojiro
(challenge accepted)

And blah-de-blah-de-blah, in spoilers.

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I still find your leap on 777Ares777 to be just a bit too single-minded, uncompromising, and enthusiastic to be genuinely townie behavior. Seemed as though you wouldn't even entertain the suggestion that it could have been some kind of frame job. Whether he ended up being guilty or not is beside the point. Any mafia, I think, would react with great enthusiasm to the idea of hard evidence against anyone but themselves, and not even begin to think critically about the idea that it could be wrong. Either that, or they might quietly bandwagon without much discussion. I get more of a townie vibe from anyone who questioned or was resistant to just nodding and saying "ok" to what we were told.

As it stands, it's even been suggested that Ares may in fact not be a serial killer, but a mafioso. Another unlikely possibility; he could have a suicide role like an actor. While I agree that the most likely circumstance is that he's scum, be it serial killer or murderer, I believe it's not genuinely townie behavior to just readily accept it without much thought. Secondly, I find it very odd that given my exposure as a mason or claimed mason, and my pathetically low duel rating, you would be so keen on killing me in a duel. I have nothing to lose, so I accepted. I already think you're scum, and if for some reason I was able to best you in battle, then w00t, go me. I think we already had this discussion about pointless duels, and I think your duel with me is pointless, and possibly scummy. This will eliminate me as a suspect when I die, because a mafia with a low duel rating willingly getting killed in battle makes no sense. If I manage to kill you somehow, then I will have eliminated a potentially scummy person who was just a little bit too eager to give the Ares writeup your complete and unwavering faith, and my exposure as a mason nearly no credibility whatsoever.

What are you Sasaki? Are you a skeptic, or a believer? Do you automatically assume things must be true, or do you assume things must be false, or do you consider things with an open mind? You believed with absolute conviction Ares was guilty, well before allowing him to present his defense (and well before allowing him to further incriminate himself), yet you disbelieved with absolute conviction the possibility that I was a mason and therefore trustworthy. Total belief, and total disbelief, and in both cases, you offered no benefit of the doubt to the opposing viewpoint.

If it weren't such an absolutist statement, I'd quote that line from Star Wars regarding the Sith, and how only a Sith deals in absolutes. Before discussion, before evidence, before the court of public opinion, before an open mind could weigh the facts, you decided. Do you possess greater knowledge than the rest of us regarding the nature of the game? Do you possess greater confidence in your knowledge than we do? And if you are a townie, why are you so hell-bent on killing a mason without even the opportunity for an investigation? These thoughts and more run through my mind when I read all your posts leading up to your challenging me. As such, it didn't take a moment's hesitation for me to make a summary judgment against you, Sasaki: One of us has to go. We can afford to get rid of you, because as some have observed about me, you will contribute post-mortem, and we already got one of them scumbags this round. And we can afford to lose me, as I already volunteered to die any place, any time, and I prefer not to waste a lynch or an investigation on my weak, useless, exposed mason self if I can easily be murdered in battle.

Some may disagree with my suicide methods, but you need to eliminate suspects, and I see this as a very convenient way of eliminating at least one top suspect for the town. Should I win the day, I will use this as a rallying cry against pointless duels once again. Should I fail, I've wasted none of the town's resources in proving myself.

Don't for a moment think that I've made this personal or about me; it's about the team doing better with either or both of us cleared as suspects, and we can afford to figure this out, with the wonderful gift the "gods" have bestowed upon us last night with Ares' being exposed and later confessing.

This battle was inevitable from the beginning. Two men enter... one man leaves.

En garde, Sasaki Kojiro, and good luck.

[Andres]

Busy week-end. Read the write-up of last night and I know enough.

Vote : 777Ares777

The next 8 pages will have to wait until tomorrow

[Yoyoma1910]

HOS: Pizza.


How do you not know what a mason is? You've included versions of them in your games, such as the Simpsons family.

Why do you want to start going after everyone who might have a special role, especially when Ares was pushing this agenda?

Why do you want to know everyone's role?


Pizza, you're my friend, but I don't trust you in this game. Far far more than I don't trust some of the people you are trying to push town towards.

[Thermal]

Well, what would happen if we duel him?

WHY NOT FIND OUT?

[_Tristan_]

Vote : Abstain

Although there is enough evidence to the culpability of Ares in that murder, I fear that his "real" PM reveal might just be a way to get himself lynched, either gaining power for himself or for his partner through "sacrifice"...

So I won't be part of this lynch... There are enough votes towards that already.

[seireikhaan]

Another thing of which we should take note.
In Ares' reveal, a misspell is evident
In the first line of what he claims to quote.
Of falsehood I believe this line of thought is lent.

[seireikhaan]

I believe distraction was what Ares hoped to provide
And so in cover a teammate would be allowed to bide

[_Tristan_]

That also is what I was thinking...

We've spent pages and pages of posts discussing Ares' guilt (which was already proven by the write-up, if you wish to give it credit) while a second murder hasn't even been discussed yet...

So the probability of Ares providing cover for a second murderr looms ever bigger the more consideration I give that line of thought...

But with so many men of low extraction in the process, I should have known that such things would have been overlooked...

[seireikhaan]

Ares is online
He won't refute my statement
This is intriguing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

En garde, Sasaki Kojiro, and good luck.

Cool...I lied about our duel scores being equal btw...

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though I suppose it's still a toss up since we don't how the system works. Does a 3 beat a 2? We shall see...

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Too see them bathed in blood and to and those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Khaan is right, it looks like there was something cut out there.

[Yoyoma1910]

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though I suppose it's still a toss up since we don't how the system works. Does a 3 beat a 2? We shall see...

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Khaan is right, it looks like there was something cut out there.

A) 3 will beat a 2.


B) The constant and continued inconsistencies in Ares reveals have been well noted throughout the day. For instance, the god he lists. It is likely he adjusted his information around to confuse the situation, and make best of his cornering.

[seireikhaan]

Dear lord, we have not yet lynched a single person
With five hundred posts, I hope it does not worsen.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Which means we need to look at who bought the "confession" hook, line, and sinker:

You really are unlucky as a serial killer first Blackadder and now this oh well here is hoping the lynching of you turns out better in this game then it did in Blackadder.

Although if Ares was covering for him, I think Blackadder's reaction would have been a bit different.

unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Ares

There is zero reason why we need Ares around, now. A confession is a confession.

Interesting that ATPG has also claimed mason... with a partner.

I think thats definately his real PM.

Lynch the serial killer.

Poor Reenk...his beautiful game is being destroyed by us.

Note the emphasis on reminding everybody that Ares is without a partner.

And also note Ares's explanation to my post questioning the motive:

What can I say, I'm just a real honest person

-edit- I think I need to start preparing my eulogy for Godfather 3's post count record.

-edit2- Keep in mind that nobody's questioning Ares's guilt and that he should probably die this round. It's the nature of his guilt (serial killer or another mafia faction?) that's in question. I, for one, am keeping my vote on FH.

-edit3- Wait, scratch the pevergreen bit. I completely forgot he was dead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, fellows, when this game is over, I'm just going to chuckle at you.

Did it seriously never occur to you that I am a mason? Especially after that entirely NON fabricated interchange I had with White_Eyes which exposed me against my will, and my dealings with Ares trying to get to the bottom of his shenanigans?

I will have you know something else. I found someone on round one. I can't tell you who, because he is a pro-town. He knows precisely who he is, and he also knows, I am protecting him.

In spite of Sasaki LYING to me about his duel strength, I'm not backing down. You fellows will just have to find out the hard way that I am a Mason.



No matter what you believe at this point, I WILL prove to you my pro-town alignment. Then perhaps some of you will give me the time of day, a round too late.

[_Tristan_]

Seeing that we have had one death among the Good Men (sobs loudly) and one among the Men (snorts as loudly), I think it would be safe to surmise that the usurpers may very well be spread among the classes...

So we may have to find who among the Good Men is most likely to be an usurper and who among the Men is...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would be an awfully easy task, if someone would just trust me, as I am headed straight towards my own doom with a happy, happy grin on my face.

Even if I were somehow a mafia, I'm giving you a big fat gift, fellows. Humor me, I deserve that much.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Does no one even care that Sasaki pulled a fast one and lied to me about his duel strength?

How do you not know what a mason is? You've included versions of them in your games, such as the Simpsons family.

Why do you think I don't know what a mason is? Did you read the exchange I had with White_Eyes? HE didn't know, I was the one who educated him about it. Boy, some people write me off as guilty or unaware, and they didn't take the time to read something that would immediately disprove that.

Why do you want to start going after everyone who might have a special role, especially when Ares was pushing this agenda?

Special role, NO. Fake role PM, YES. For really, really obvious reasons, too.

Why do you want to know everyone's role?

Because, as an innocent mason about to DIE, my partner has asked for as much info as I can get. And you know I am innocent, or I would have full reason to back down from Sasaki's lying, lying, lying challenge.





I'll repeat, because it bears repeating:

[TinCow]

Keep in mind that nobody's questioning Ares's guilt and that he should probably die this round. It's the nature of his guilt (serial killer or another mafia faction?) that's in question.

This is important to remember in future rounds. I can't come up with an explanation for Ares' reveals which don't make him a likely threat to the town and worthwhile lynch. However, we should not automatically assume that he is either a serial killer or a mafioso at this point. He could be either, or he could be some other role of which we are unaware. Picking a specific role and calling him that for the rest of the game risks cementing potentially faulty assumptions.

[TinCow]

Does no one even care that Sasaki pulled a fast one and lied to me about his duel strength?

Not I. We have no reason to trust either of you, so it doesn't particularly matter to me which one lives. In addition, if I had to challenge someone, I'd do my best to make sure it was a challenge I would win. I do not approve of challenges in the first place, but if they must occur, playing to win is the only smart thing to do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I can report that I now have two decent pro-town roles revealing themselves to me, as well as minor characters.

So, even though my ability to hide who I am is an epic failure, I accomplished a lot for my partner, who will reveal himself eventually and vindicate my efforts this round. I already accomplished something which was part of my victory conditions this game. And yes, those victory conditions are associated with a townie victory, but it was a sub-mission.

So now, I can breathe a sigh of relief. Thanks fellows who gave me the time of day. That takes courage.