Revolution?

**Monsieur Alphonse** · 03-16-2009, 18:03

If you want a constitutional monarchy raise the taxes for the middle class, if you want a republic raise the taxes for the lower class.

**Jason X** · 03-16-2009, 18:07

it's a shame you can't go straight to cons. monarchy from absolute - really a shame to chop the maratha queen with her decent traits

**Negative** · 03-16-2009, 18:57

Thanks for the responses everyone.

Originally Posted by Monsieur Alphonse

If you want a constitutional monarchy raise the taxes for the middle class, if you want a republic raise the taxes for the lower class.

If I have a troublesome lower class will establishing a constitutional monarchy still make them happy?

**Jason X** · 03-16-2009, 19:03

searching around this and other forums a bit, it seems that causing an upper class revolt as absolute monarchy has had two effects:
1) change of monarch, but stay as absolute monarchy
2) change to constitutional monarchy

some speculation as to whether 2) is dependent on faction or clamour for reform or something unknown.

i might go to my pre-revolution maratha save at the weekend and test it out.

**Eusebius86** · 03-16-2009, 19:12

Negative, how's your cabinet?!?! Your cabinet can have as much effect on your populace, if not more, than entertainment buildings and religion. You have to pay careful attention to the traits of the guy heading the Justice Dep't. He can really help out your lower class, or push them over the edge if he's a bully. I had to fire 3 of my cabinet members early on as Prussia because they were causing too much unrest among the lower class; never had problems with the upper/middle class citizens of Prussia.

You also have to be careful about how many enlightenment techs you research, many of them increase "clamor for reform," and these can't be reversed. Further, 1 school per region is too much. 3 schools are more than enough. Focus 1 school per tech. Each school increases clamor for reform by 5 to 7... Also, Dragoons increase repression by 1 per unit. Very nice.

**Negative** · 03-16-2009, 20:14

Yeah, I did check out my cabinet and everyone seemed pretty good but maybe I'll go back and check again.

Also, I did research the enlightement techs pretty fast. I guess my options are let the revolt happen or start over and hold back on the enlightment research.

**Feanaro** · 03-16-2009, 20:24

You want the revolution to start in your capital. If it happens anywhere else, it's just a revolt that has to be squashed. Any armies in the capital will join the "old guard," so you might want to move them.

It seems that if you want Constitutional Monarchy, you have to cause the lower classes to revolt, converting to a Republic, then tick the upper class off, which will make you a Constitutional Monarchy. In Absolute Monarchy, making the upper classes angry doesn't seem to change your system of government, it just ousts your current king.

If I have a troublesome lower class will establishing a constitutional monarchy still make them happy?

It won't make them happy but it does remove the negative happiness modifer from Absolute Monarchy, IIRC. This is all from memory but I believe Absolute Monarchies have higher repression but it causes unrest with the lower classes, plus it hampers research and your economy.

**Negative** · 03-16-2009, 20:29

I'll have to try it out when I get home. Thanks!

**Mailman653** · 03-16-2009, 22:44

Originally Posted by Feanaro

In Absolute Monarchy, making the upper classes angry doesn't seem to change your system of government, it just ousts your current king.

I think the same thing happens with a Republic, I tried to start a revolution and when I finally did; I sided with the rebels and took the captial, instead of turning into a new govt type, it just excuted the President and cabinet and just put new ones in place, I stayed a Republic