site of famous battle

[ezekiel2517]

Well, i have had some big battles (specially one in Athens) and still not getting the campaign map mark.

What does it take to get one? i also did search the forum and was unable to find anything.

[anubis88]

it usually comes up when you have a heroic victory or crushing defeat... it doesn't come always though

[A Very Super Market]

Oh, and the AI will get them as wel.

[/Bean\]

In Athens? You won't get one if you won a siege.

[ezekiel2517]

I was attacked by 2 armies and I got a heroic victory... it did not show. I was wondering why.

I remember the AI getting them too, so much that there were several in my Bactrian campaign in RTR. So far in EB, I have not seen one, hence my question.

[Cyrus]

AFAIK the simbol appears when a half stack or more for each armie fight outside a city. the result does not matter.

[A Very Super Market]

No, I've seen it pop up anywhere. It simply has to be a Heroic victory or a crushing defeat to pop up.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

It has to be classified as Heroic Victory for one side. Also, it has to be outside a city. It will disappear after some time when it will be forgotten. The more involved, the longer it will last, normally 50 years.

[Cyrus]

About it disapearing I have have no idea, but since my heroic victories are rare and i have very many famous battle sites i dissagree, maybe an EBteam member could streighten this out

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Those famous battle markers are part of the RTW.exe's hardcoding. They don't always make sense. Sometime a huge battle that is difficult but won against all odds won't get a marker but an easily won victory will get a marker.

The time the last seems odd too. Sometimes they'll seem permenant and sometimes they'll disappear after a decade. I think the time they last is tied to turns and not years so they disappear faster in EB than in RTW if you are counting years. The time they last does seem to be tied to the size of the battle, though.

Since it is part of the exe hardcoding, nobody can be for sure on the details.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Wow, I had no idea they disappear. Odd...

Has anyone else had their markers disappear??

[/Bean\]

Nope...but then, I suppose they could have happened to some and I didn't notice...them not being there anymore and all

[penguinking]

Yes, I've had them disappear. Also, they do not have to be outside of a city.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

How many markers do you have then inside a city?

All the minor battles disappear pretty fast. If you score a heroic victory with only very few soldiers involved, and you have already half a dozen markers of really big battles present, it won't appear at all.

[penguinking]

How many markers do you have then inside a city?

All the minor battles disappear pretty fast. If you score a heroic victory with only very few soldiers involved, and you have already half a dozen markers of really big battles present, it won't appear at all.

My bad, I thought you meant right outside of a city.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Never mind. It's a bit tricky. It would be more correct to say that a marker can only appear when the battle was fought on a tile different from the city tile. For example

1. Mak army besieges Rome. Roman army A is approaching from behind and attacks the Mak army. Roman army B from inside the city comes to help, the Maks obtain a heroic victory (what else) - marker will be spawned because the battle will be fought on a tile outside the city of Rome.

2. Mak army besieges Rome. Roman army A is approaching from behind. Roman army B from inside Rome attacks the Mak army, Roman army A comes to help, the Maks obtain a heroic victory (again, what else) - no marker because the battle will be fought on the map of the city of Rome.

[ezekiel2517]

Oh right. I forgot to add, I am using alex.exe - does that make a difference?

[Labrat]

Wow, I had no idea they disappear. Odd...

Has anyone else had their markers disappear??

Yes, I've seen it once or twice. Maybe there can be only a limited number of markers on the campaign map at anyone time?

Oh right. I forgot to add, I am using alex.exe - does that make a difference?

There is no way of knowing.

[Cyrus]

We could always ask someone from CA or the RTW team.

[The Fuzz]

I thought heroic victories only came up when your general (family member) had a good showing?

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

It has to be classified as Heroic Victory for one side. Also, it has to be outside a city. It will disappear after some time when it will be forgotten. The more involved, the longer it will last, normally 50 years.

That's really interesting, I didn't know they disappeared; but it's good for RP.


Edit: At the post above ^, you can win Heroic Victories when you sustain really low casualties and kill many (read: almost all) of a large enemy, or soundly crush a numerically/tactically/equipped superior enemy.

[Fluvius Camillus]

In my Romani world conquering campaign I had several, next to a city but also on the open plain. So far only one did disappear, a decisive but easy victory near a lake, where I defeated the Aedui.

It's always nice to see whole tracks of heroic victory's, again and again seeing my greatest heroes live on to eternity!

Anyway, the easiest way is as Centurio describes it, besiege a city and then fight a defensive battle where you destroy the relieving army and the city garrison together.

Good luck!

[Βελισάριος]

So... aside from a good excuse to boast, do these sites have any actually advantages?
As in... morale bonus to the troops of the winning side, etc.?

[A Very Super Market]

That would be pretty interesting, but I don't think that is implemented in the slightest.

[Ludens]

So... aside from a good excuse to boast, do these sites have any actually advantages?
As in... morale bonus to the troops of the winning side, etc.?

Not as far as we know.

[ezekiel2517]

So... aside from a good excuse to boast, do these sites have any actually advantages?
As in... morale bonus to the troops of the winning side, etc.?

It makes my game more fun. I still recall several of those heroic victories as Bactria... That song from RTR was perfect for such occasions. I was almost yelling

[Atraphoenix]

I have 2 heroics under pahlava against AS. (AI) KH has a heroic against Mak that after this battle mak started lose all of their cities only Pella was on the land but just relieved the siege. I did not check if there is any more in my campaign map. Plus, I am using alex.

[Βελισάριος]

It makes my game more fun. I still recall several of those heroic victories as Bactria... That song from RTR was perfect for such occasions. I was almost yelling

Which song is that?

[ezekiel2517]

Which song is that?

I don't know the name... I'll look it up since I want to know it as well.

EB has some amazing music but, the one from a regular victory, is the same as the heroic. RTR had 2 and it gave a sweeter taste to them.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Just had a new one with my pontos one, I think its that ridiculous that I should tell how it happened.

First on, I destroyed 30 units in a battle at the same time, destroying the KH in a great battle.

No famous battle (it also was a clear victory, not heroic).


But....

A brigand army was near my city, I walked my city garrison to the rebels and attacked.

Battle match-up

Pontos:
Khuveshavagan Shahvar (Pontos Early Bodyguard)
Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
Gund I Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)

VS

Eleutheroi:
Aspet "something" (Armenian Medium Cavalry)
Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)

So I first charged the cavalry unit of the captain with one unit of pantodapoi and my general, captain flees, while skirmishers hold of one unit of enemy spearmen and my unit holds off the other two.

Then I charge two spearmen units in the back with my general and then kill the final group, I chase them down and end the battle.

HEROIC VICTORY!

The brave people of that day will be remembered with a marker, the battle that decided the course of history in anatolia....

(Yes I know how to get battle markers but I thougth this was kinda weird).

Which song is that?

Yes please share! Oh the nostaligia

~Fluvius